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neckedness · 05-16-2008, 01:07 PM

Believe it or not, mp3 music from PS3 sounds better through Optical than HDMI on Onkyo 605. Using HDMI, mutichannel is displayed and you can change the sound type settings in the onkyo. With Optical, music sounds alot better and you can change to all the different sound types such as NEO or PLII...

crackinhedz · 05-16-2008, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by neckedness

Believe it or not, mp3 music from PS3 sounds better through Optical than HDMI on Onkyo 605. Using HDMI, mutichannel is displayed and you can change the sound type settings in the onkyo. With Optical, music sounds alot better and you can change to all the different sound types such as NEO or PLII...

because Optical is already 2 channel...if you go into your HDMI settings and un-check everything except 2.0 PCM, it will have the same effect.

neckedness · 05-16-2008, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by crackinhedz

because Optical is already 2 channel...if you go into your HDMI settings and un-check everything except 2.0 PCM, it will have the same effect.

Is that right?? Change it in PS3 setting? That would be much more convenient than changing from HDMI to Optical in both PS3 and Onkyo as I had been doing.

crackinhedz · 05-16-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by neckedness

Is that right?? Change it in PS3 setting? That would be much more convenient than changing from HDMI to Optical in both PS3 and Onkyo as I had been doing.

yeah, it is very inconvenient. But its the only work around for HDMI at the moment...switching to Optical instead of un-checking everything is much easier.

I just didn't know if you were aware that you could achieve the same thing...but your way is easier.

Baseball3 · 05-16-2008, 01:36 PM

How about changing the 176. 4 setting to stereo when listening to a CD on the PS3? I really am not a fan of changing settings and as I mentioned earlier having to change the 176.4 setting again when listening to a SACD is just a bit of trouble for a lazy dude like me that is just trying to learn the optimal settings.

Slec · 05-16-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Baseball3

How about changing the 176. 4 setting to stereo when listening to a CD on the PS3? I really am not a fan of changing settings and as I mentioned earlier having to change the 176.4 setting again when listening to a SACD is just a bit of trouble for a lazy dude like me that is just trying to learn the optimal settings.

I'm a bit biased as I see 176.4kHz stereo as optimal... Would you like to hear music out of all your speakers? If so, the solutions put out by Crackinhedz and neckedness are your options (for non-SACD).

Give a read to the PS3 SACD FAQ. See if this helps at all. I've linked to a connection question and further down is a settings suggestion. I'd love to try and help you out on this one, but I don't have any SACD's and therefore no experience with them (that'll be changing soon though)

Baseball3 · 05-16-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Slec

I'm a bit biased as I see 176.4kHz stereo as optimal... Would you like to hear music out of all your speakers? If so, the solutions put out by Crackinhedz and neckedness are your options (for non-SACD).

Give a read to the PS3 SACD FAQ. See if this helps at all. I've linked to a connection question and further down is a settings suggestion. I'd love to try and help you out on this one, but I don't have any SACD's and therefore no experience with them (that'll be changing soon though)

I would imagine that is the optimal setting as well. I am not particularly interested in getting sound out of all the speakers rather just wondering when playing a regular CD what the best settings may be and how to get there. Are all CDs going to play at the 176.4kHz rate? How about 2 channel SACD? What settings there? Anyone?

Slec · 05-16-2008, 02:11 PM

Make sure you've adjusted these settings:

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If using your PS3 for CD, .mp3, or SACD playback, don't forget to adjust your music settings under:

Settings > Music Settings >

Here you can adjust the output frequency to 44.1 / 88.2 / 176.4kHz under 'Audio CD Output Frequency'. You can also adjust the bitmapping but you will have to choose which sounds best to you

Type 3 on the bitmapping is most favorable according to the PS3/SACD FAQ

Baseball3 · 05-16-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Slec

Make sure you've adjusted these settings:

Type 3 on the bitmapping is most favorable according to the PS3/SACD FAQ

done done it.

Apologies for the typo in the title. I am just really uptight about spelling correctly.

Slec · 05-16-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Baseball3

done done it.

Apologies for the typo in the title. I am just really uptight about spelling correctly.

With those set, you should get the optimum stereo performance out of your PS3. All CD's should come across at 176.4, as long as they were recorded that way, of course.

no need to apologize for the typo, it's not like you were misusing words or anything (or ending your sentence in a preposition with

)

For an SACD recommendation you might want to try posting in this thread. Also, let them know that you've looked through the SACD/PS3 FAQ, otherwise you'll get a bunch of posts telling you to check there. They should be able to help you if the CD settings will work with Multichannel (5.1) SACD playback.

Good Luck, and let us know what you work out!

Baseball3 · 05-16-2008, 02:36 PM

I suppose the thing to do is have the 176.4 setting to play in stereo mode when using a regular CD and have that same 176.4 setting to play in Direct or Multich ( I can't remember if that is an option.) when playing a SACD.

Baseball3 · 05-16-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Slec

With those set, you should get the optimum stereo performance out of your PS3. All CD's should come across at 176.4, as long as they were recorded that way, of course.

no need to apologize for the typo, it's not like you were misusing words or anything (or ending your sentence in a preposition with

)

For an SACD recommendation you might want to try posting in this thread. Also, let them know that you've looked through the SACD/PS3 FAQ, otherwise you'll get a bunch of posts telling you to check there. They should be able to help you if the CD settings will work with Multichannel (5.1) SACD playback.

Good Luck, and let us know what you work out!

I have looked through all those. I don't wish to be scolded for not using the search feature. I laughed while typing that sentence. Thanks, again.

Slec · 05-16-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Baseball3

I suppose the thing to do is have the 176.4 setting to play in stereo mode when using a regular CD and have that same 176.4 setting to play in Direct or Multich ( I can't remember if that is an option.) when playing a SACD.

Direct leaves the sound "untouched" and only amplified by the receiver. The other option will allow for audyssey and any adjustments you've made for bass/treble in the receivers menu setup. It should always show up as multichannel on the receivers display (with HDMI)

I would agree with what you've said above, I just don't have any experience with it.. And don't worry about being scolded. I got your back

The guys in that thread are some of the more helpful on this site, mention you've searched, you've read the FAQ, and see what comes back..

Baseball3 · 05-18-2008, 04:09 PM

I changed the Onkyo setting for 176.4 on the DVD menu to stereo and still MultiCh is displayed when playing a regular CD. I even changed the PS3 setting to bitstream and got the same result. What is up with that? Did I miss something? I just cannot fathom why, given these changes, stereo is not the mode displaye.

Slec · 05-18-2008, 04:15 PM

Unfortunately, you have to bitstream AND uncheck the PCM options if using HDMI. That will allow you access to the receivers DSP (including stereo). It's a weird glitch for sure... Wonder if we could get a setting added to the AV settings that would allow for a 1 or 2 button system setup change...

un4gvn94538 · 05-18-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Slec

Unfortunately, you have to bitstream AND uncheck the PCM options if using HDMI. That will allow you access to the receivers DSP (including stereo). It's a weird glitch for sure... Wonder if we could get a setting added to the AV settings that would allow for a 1 or 2 button system setup change...

i wonder if in game xmb would allow changes like these. to select or de select audio settings on the fly. hope so

Baseball3 · 05-18-2008, 04:21 PM

Thanks for the quick reply and information. I will stop obsessing over this concern. Is anything really going to change? I would think Sony could give us an easy change and they should. Why should we have to make the changes you suggest each time we want to listen to a CD? Agreed?

un4gvn94538 · 05-18-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Baseball3

Thanks for the quick reply and information. I will stop obsessing over this concern. Is anything really going to change? I would think Sony could give us an easy change and they should. Why should we have to make the changes you suggest each time we want to listen to a CD? Agreed?

i agree completely. but i doubt they will make all the changes the people want. we can only hope. took a very long time for dts ma and even longer for in game xmb and others

Slec · 05-18-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by un4gvn94538

i wonder if in game xmb would allow changes like these. to select or de select audio settings on the fly. hope so

I would hope so...

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Originally Posted by Baseball3

Thanks for the quick reply and information. I will stop obsessing over this concern. Is anything really going to change? I would think Sony could give us an easy change and they should. Why should we have to make the changes you suggest each time we want to listen to a CD? Agreed?

Never stop asking questions! The beauty of the PS3 is that if there is something the community cares enough about, it can be implemented through firmware upgrades.

our other insiders have previously mentioned that, although they don't post, many decision makers read blu-ray.com to get a handle on things. Maybe starting a dedicated thread about PS3 and audio playback. Get as many implementation ideas as possible and see what we can propose.

Are either of you guys on the PS3 forums? Either something similar post-wise, or a link over here might be a good way to get more involvement.

I think most would agree that there should be a quicker way of handling this, hell just switching to bitstream ought to take care of it

WriteSimply · 05-18-2008, 04:58 PM

Oy. Basically the PS3 is formatting the HDMI signal with video and multichannel audio REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THERE IS MULTICHANNEL AUDIO if you had it set up to PCM. So it doesn't matter if you disable multichannel 176.4kHz enhancement (for CDs) or digitization (for SACD), the HDMI signal if set to PCM will be formatted as multichannel audio.

If you want to employ matrix decoding on your audio CD, choose Bitstream or use an optical cable.

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05-16-2008, 01:07 PM	#21
neckedness Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 2	Believe it or not, mp3 music from PS3 sounds better through Optical than HDMI on Onkyo 605. Using HDMI, mutichannel is displayed and you can change the sound type settings in the onkyo. With Optical, music sounds alot better and you can change to all the different sound types such as NEO or PLII...

05-16-2008, 01:36 PM	#25
Baseball3 Active Member Member since:Dec 2007	How about changing the 176. 4 setting to stereo when listening to a CD on the PS3? I really am not a fan of changing settings and as I mentioned earlier having to change the 176.4 setting again when listening to a SACD is just a bit of trouble for a lazy dude like me that is just trying to learn the optimal settings.

05-16-2008, 02:36 PM	#31
Baseball3 Active Member Member since:Dec 2007	I suppose the thing to do is have the 176.4 setting to play in stereo mode when using a regular CD and have that same 176.4 setting to play in Direct or Multich ( I can't remember if that is an option.) when playing a SACD.

05-18-2008, 04:09 PM	#34
Baseball3 Active Member Member since:Dec 2007	I changed the Onkyo setting for 176.4 on the DVD menu to stereo and still MultiCh is displayed when playing a regular CD. I even changed the PS3 setting to bitstream and got the same result. What is up with that? Did I miss something? I just cannot fathom why, given these changes, stereo is not the mode displaye.

05-18-2008, 04:15 PM	#35
Slec Blu-ray Samurai Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Baltimore, MD Home Theater Gallery:29 Blu-ray collection:241 Blu-ray reviews: 7 Trading Score:30	Unfortunately, you have to bitstream AND uncheck the PCM options if using HDMI. That will allow you access to the receivers DSP (including stereo). It's a weird glitch for sure... Wonder if we could get a setting added to the AV settings that would allow for a 1 or 2 button system setup change...

05-18-2008, 04:21 PM	#37
Baseball3 Active Member Member since:Dec 2007	Thanks for the quick reply and information. I will stop obsessing over this concern. Is anything really going to change? I would think Sony could give us an easy change and they should. Why should we have to make the changes you suggest each time we want to listen to a CD? Agreed?

05-18-2008, 04:58 PM	#40
WriteSimply Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia	Oy. Basically the PS3 is formatting the HDMI signal with video and multichannel audio REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THERE IS MULTICHANNEL AUDIO if you had it set up to PCM. So it doesn't matter if you disable multichannel 176.4kHz enhancement (for CDs) or digitization (for SACD), the HDMI signal if set to PCM will be formatted as multichannel audio. If you want to employ matrix decoding on your audio CD, choose Bitstream or use an optical cable. fuad

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