The Subtitle Debate - Page 3 - Blu-ray Forum

Q? · 12-19-2009, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by surfdude12

wow Brandon, i have to say i'm a little shocked. however, a lot of my buddies still detest subs and i did for a while. i felt the way you did, but then i actually sat down and watched a film with subs on. and guess what i realized? after about 5 mins into the film, i didnt even realize i was reading + it was WAY more engrossing hearing the natural language

I think he's being sarcastic... and I hope he is.
The impression I have of him is that he's the kind of guy that would prefer original language... don't know why, that's just my impression.

masoud90 · 12-19-2009, 06:37 AM

A film needs to stay the way it was meant to look/sound by the filmmakers. That means no alterations of audio to any other language to make other people understand it. This is where subtitles come in. Idk how ppl exaggerate and say they don't wanna "read" a movie. R u kidding me???

Brandon · 12-19-2009, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Q!

I think he's being sarcastic... and I hope he is.
The impression I have of him is that he's the kind of guy that would prefer original language... don't know why, that's just my impression.

Sorry, I was totally being sarcastic. Forgot I wrote that post earlier, was a little drunk

The run on sentence and "lol" at the end didn't tip you off, surfdude?

surfdude12 · 12-19-2009, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Q!

I think he's being sarcastic... and I hope he is.
The impression I have of him is that he's the kind of guy that would prefer original language... don't know why, that's just my impression.

ha, well i hope so. if not, we'll have to take his DDL avatar away!

Q? · 12-19-2009, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BrandonT

Sorry, I was totally being sarcastic. Forgot I wrote that post earlier, was a little drunk

The run on sentence and "lol" at the end didn't tip you off, surfdude?

Quote:

Originally Posted by surfdude12

ha, well i hope so. if not, we'll have to take his DDL avatar away!

See! I knew it

I'm actually drunk myself right now... just got back form a party...

surfdude12 · 12-19-2009, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrandonT

Sorry, I was totally being sarcastic. Forgot I wrote that post earlier, was a little drunk

The run on sentence and "lol" at the end didn't tip you off, surfdude?

i should have known i was dealing with drunken Daniel Plainview

yeah dude, i'm a little slow sometimes, but hey, at least i gave you some cred by saying i was "shocked"

Brandon · 12-19-2009, 06:54 PM

Jalapeno infused vodka is tooo tasty.

I think I've mentioned before that I lived in Japan for 3 years - and being able to understand a language really gives you a deeper appreciation of that culture's cinema. As you mentioned, every little inflection, intonation, and even choice of words is tremendously important to the film's meaning. When I'm watching Japanese movies, I notice that quite often what the actors are actually saying is different than what the subtitles are displaying. I think having that background in a language gives you a much more insightful experience when watching a movie in that language.

My fiancee, who is Russian, also constantly notices mistakes in translation and tells me what they are really saying in the movie. She said RocknRolla was the worst she's ever seen - more often than not, the subtitles literally had no connection to what was actually being spoken.

Q? · 12-19-2009, 06:57 PM

Sucks to hear Brandon, the filmmakers should have complete control of the subtitling like Guillermo did for Pan's Labyrinth.

Brandon · 12-19-2009, 07:02 PM

You know, I don't really know if incorrect translation is that widespread or not, usually it's not that drastic to me really. Apparently RocknRolla was ridiculously bad though. Usually it's just very slight differences, but to me they still have a slight effect on the scene. For example, one of the most important scenes in Seven Samurai, when Kikuchiyo saves the baby from the burning barn, and he says that he was just like this baby, the same thing happened to him - I've seen that scene translated three different ways, in three different editions.

Stoudman · 12-19-2009, 07:18 PM

Dubs almost always get something wrong or sound horrible, I can't stand them. If you can't be bothered to read subtitles then don't bother watching foreign films, because it's the only way these films should be seen if you don't understand the language.

Zen_Amako · 12-19-2009, 08:40 PM

I wouldn't watch a dubbed movie any more than I'd watch a movie in the wrong aspect ratio.

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Original language with subtitles	67	84.81%
Dubbed	4	5.06%
Depends on the movie I am watching	5	6.33%
ME NO RIKEY MOVIE ME KAN'T UNDERSTAND	3	3.80%
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12-19-2009, 06:37 AM	#42
masoud90 Power Member Member since:Oct 2008 Location:Seattle, WA Blu-ray collection:180 Trading Score:3	A film needs to stay the way it was meant to look/sound by the filmmakers. That means no alterations of audio to any other language to make other people understand it. This is where subtitles come in. Idk how ppl exaggerate and say they don't wanna "read" a movie. R u kidding me???

12-19-2009, 06:54 PM	#47
Brandon Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2008 Blu-ray collection:41 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:8	Jalapeno infused vodka is tooo tasty. I think I've mentioned before that I lived in Japan for 3 years - and being able to understand a language really gives you a deeper appreciation of that culture's cinema. As you mentioned, every little inflection, intonation, and even choice of words is tremendously important to the film's meaning. When I'm watching Japanese movies, I notice that quite often what the actors are actually saying is different than what the subtitles are displaying. I think having that background in a language gives you a much more insightful experience when watching a movie in that language. My fiancee, who is Russian, also constantly notices mistakes in translation and tells me what they are really saying in the movie. She said RocknRolla was the worst she's ever seen - more often than not, the subtitles literally had no connection to what was actually being spoken.

12-19-2009, 06:57 PM	#48
Q? Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Dec 2008 Location:Nuuk, Greenland Blu-ray collection:168	Sucks to hear Brandon, the filmmakers should have complete control of the subtitling like Guillermo did for Pan's Labyrinth.

12-19-2009, 07:02 PM	#49
Brandon Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jul 2008 Blu-ray collection:41 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:8	You know, I don't really know if incorrect translation is that widespread or not, usually it's not that drastic to me really. Apparently RocknRolla was ridiculously bad though. Usually it's just very slight differences, but to me they still have a slight effect on the scene. For example, one of the most important scenes in Seven Samurai, when Kikuchiyo saves the baby from the burning barn, and he says that he was just like this baby, the same thing happened to him - I've seen that scene translated three different ways, in three different editions.

12-19-2009, 07:18 PM	#50
Stoudman Active Member Member since:Jan 2009 Blu-ray collection:65	Dubs almost always get something wrong or sound horrible, I can't stand them. If you can't be bothered to read subtitles then don't bother watching foreign films, because it's the only way these films should be seen if you don't understand the language.

12-19-2009, 08:40 PM	#51
Zen_Amako Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Northern VA, USA 4K collection:255 Blu-ray collection:659 Blu-ray reviews: 3 Trading Score:13	I wouldn't watch a dubbed movie any more than I'd watch a movie in the wrong aspect ratio.

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