3D Effects: Popping Out or Poppping in? - Discussion

[Jlennerth]

I saw Avatar in 3D,but I recall seeing Michael Jackson's movie in 3D in the 80's at Epcot center in Disneyland/Disneyworld. Do any 3D movies have that effect that they used for MJ's 80's movie that makes the images actually pop off the screen? I can still remember this thing that flied through the audience. How come they don't have 3D like that anymore, or at least have implemented in the past 20 years? Imagine images that actually seem to come off the screen and fly into the audience in 3D HD. The applications would be unlimited for movie theaters. Anyone else remember seeing that in the 80's?

[P@t_Mtl]

Journey To The Center Of The Earth in 2008 was setup in the fashion you are talking about.

I think that for Avatar James Cameron was aiming for a different type of 3D, something more grown up?

[deadhatetheliving]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Journey To The Center Of The Earth in 2008 was setup in the fashion you are talking about.

I think that for Avatar James Cameron was aiming for a different type of 3D, something more grown up?

[Jeff Kleist]

Captain Eo was presented polarized just like modern 3D. It's a filmmaker's stylistic choices not to poke you in the eye, and sending stuff outward is also far harder to hold an illusion on. When you're 8, you probably don't notice as much

[jonnygee]

I have always enjoyed 3D "comin' atcha" effects, ever since I saw "Bwana Devil' in the 50's - the whole audience jumped when the native guy threw a spear at us from a distance! Ensuing 3D films were piled high with eye-popping gadgets being hurled from the screen! The advent of digital 3D opened the curtains on a whole new world of entertainment. "Avatar" has shown us that 3D has come of age. The audience can now sit comfortably in the cinema and watch visual reality. No more gimmicks just pure cinema. "Avatar" on blu-ray however, is really more spectacular! Unlike 3D it is bright!
From the first frames to the last, I just sat in front of my 50" screen gob-smacked! JG

[Frozenpinky]

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[aggienader08]

Originally Posted by jonnygee

I have always enjoyed 3D "comin' atcha" effects, ever since I saw "Bwana Devil' in the 50's - the whole audience jumped when the native guy threw a spear at us from a distance! Ensuing 3D films were piled high with eye-popping gadgets being hurled from the screen! The advent of digital 3D opened the curtains on a whole new world of entertainment. "Avatar" has shown us that 3D has come of age. The audience can now sit comfortably in the cinema and watch visual reality. No more gimmicks just pure cinema. "Avatar" on blu-ray however, is really more spectacular! Unlike 3D it is bright!
From the first frames to the last, I just sat in front of my 50" screen gob-smacked! JG

I agree with you 100%.

In an answer to your query Avatar and other movies like Up and Clash of the Titans use a more modern form of 3D rather than the old glasses-in-the-TV-guide, TGIF "Home Improvement" measuring-tape-flying-out-of-the-screen 3D. Instead they take advantage of the depth-of-field in order to make you feel like you're actually there rather than watching it through a box.

[patrick13wx]

The Panasonic demos I have seen seem more concerned with depth rather than the coming at ya approach. Mind you, I suppose in time we will see a form of surround viewing where we are bang smack in the middle of all the action. Can't wait!

[dboyle]

Originally Posted by Jlennerth

I saw Avatar in 3D,but I recall seeing Michael Jackson's movie in 3D in the 80's at Epcot center in Disneyland/Disneyworld. Do any 3D movies have that effect that they used for MJ's 80's movie that makes the images actually pop off the screen? I can still remember this thing that flied through the audience. How come they don't have 3D like that anymore, or at least have implemented in the past 20 years? Imagine images that actually seem to come off the screen and fly into the audience in 3D HD. The applications would be unlimited for movie theaters. Anyone else remember seeing that in the 80's?

As I understand it - the industry is looking to go more for positive parallax (depth) rather than negative as it wants the 3D to be more like an added value function rather than taking over the whole movie. Furthermore, I think I read somewhere that it is harder for they eye to focus on images in negative parallax, i.e. easier to experience eye strain, but I may have been missundertanding this...

[patrick13wx]

The eye strain aspect of the whole 3D experience might be worthy of a topic of itself...

[Paul H]

Originally Posted by Jlennerth

MJ's 80's movie that makes the images actually pop off the screen? I can still remember this thing that flied through the audience. How come they don't have 3D like that anymore, or at least have implemented in the past 20 years?

There is an IMAX cartoon that is shown before the main 3D feature at many IMAX theaters and I believe it is only a couple of years old. Clowns are painting and climbing tall ladders and they fumble the paint buckets which fall on the audience with the illusion of the buckets spilling different colors of paint globules that seem to hover over the audiences chairs. It makes you want to reach up and touch them. Wish that cartoon was put on one of the IMAX 3D Blu-ray presentations.

Paul

[bbirali]

I agree, now a days the 3D movies are lacking 3D effects they are capable of showing to the viewers. Instead they are just providing a glossy effect a little bit off the screen. I wish somebody can make a good 3D movie, which can really show what a 3D really capable of. Avatar or any other 3D movie i saw are all waste of money. I started to not to waste that extra money on the 3D movies anymore, unless somebody proves me wrong ..
-Lal

[john_1958]

perfer images popping out where it looks like its beyond the screen not set back deep inside the screen

[patrick13wx]

Originally Posted by bbirali

I wish somebody can make a good 3D movie, which can really show what a 3D really capable of. Avatar or any other 3D movie i saw are all waste of money. I started to not to waste that extra money on the 3D movies anymore, unless somebody proves me wrong ..
-Lal

If you are waiting for something better than Avatar to come along before you're impressed then it's hardly likely you'll ever be satisfied.

[snappahead]

Originally Posted by patrick13wx

If you are waiting for something better than Avatar to come along before you're impressed then it's hardly likely you'll ever be satisfied.

Hehe, agreed.

[Yourbigpalal83]

I for one think it all depends on the scene. I think if you poke people in the eye too much in a 3d movie with stuff constantly poping out at you it looses the reality of the shot.

I mean, honestly how often in real life is someone jabbing a finger or object at you going "Your seeing this in 3d!" Not to often, (at least i dont)

To me, the whole point of 3d is to get you into the world of the movie! To make it feel real, to not be just a rapid sucession of images on a flat screen, but to make it feel like a real vivid world with its own reality.

Jabbing you in the eye constantly is going to kill that illusion. Depth of field will sell it more.

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by patrick13wx

If you are waiting for something better than Avatar to come along before you're impressed then it's hardly likely you'll ever be satisfied.

He just wants the gimmicky things flying at me 3d.

[Lovemy3D]

Originally Posted by Yourbigpalal83

I for one think it all depends on the scene. I think if you poke people in the eye too much in a 3d movie with stuff constantly poping out at you it looses the reality of the shot.

I mean, honestly how often in real life is someone jabbing a finger or object at you going "Your seeing this in 3d!" Not to often, (at least i dont)

To me, the whole point of 3d is to get you into the world of the movie! To make it feel real, to not be just a rapid sucession of images on a flat screen, but to make it feel like a real vivid world with its own reality.

Jabbing you in the eye constantly is going to kill that illusion. Depth of field will sell it more.

I'm not so much for being constantly hit in the face with things. But it can be fun to be startled like that once in a while. What I like is when there is enough depth that some things will hover just outside the screen, and sometimes float close enough that you want to try and touch them.

Also, I like when there is close ups of characters and you can tell that they are not completely inside the screen. Their faces and bodies protrude just a little, and when they talk with hand jesters their hands and arms will come outside the screen. It makes it seem like there isn't a barrier there and they are actually standing right in front of you, like holograms.

[Yourbigpalal83]

i agree. avatar had that effect with both human n cgi characters which made it all the more believable