Another proof/sign 30GB just aint enough !!! - Blu-ray Forum

MrVorhees · 09-20-2007, 10:08 PM

"Artifacting in Troy: Director's Cut"

and 7 Mbps scenes

Source: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=911235

WHY ?? Because spacelimits of hd dvds 30gb? Could SONY or Disney have done this better?

spam.curitiba · 09-20-2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GSX600F

"Artifacting in Troy: Director's Cut"

and 7 Mbps scenes

Source: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=911235

WHY ?? Because spacelimits of hd dvds 30gb? Could SONY or Disney have done this better?

you do know that is on a blu-ray player....

reiella · 09-20-2007, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by spam.curitiba

you do know that is on a blu-ray player....

Of a movie, encoded to the lowest common denominator the HD-DVD 30gb specifications.

TauRus · 09-20-2007, 10:13 PM

Yes, and the display seems to be very uncalibrated too

MrVorhees · 09-20-2007, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by spam.curitiba

you do know that is on a blu-ray player....

you do know that has nothing to do with the blu-ray player? Do you think the bitrates a higher on a HD DVD player??????????????? its the exact same codec! DONT BLAME BLU-RAY!!! its senseless in this case!

spam.curitiba · 09-20-2007, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GSX600F

you do know that has nothing to do with the blu-ray player? Do you think the bitrates a higher on a HD DVD player??????????????? its the exact same codec! DONT BLAME BLU-RAY!!! its senseless in this case!

I am just saying it was on a blu-ray player....thats all...I didn't say it was up to the specs that blu-ray can do...Do you know how to read?

MrVorhees · 09-20-2007, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by reiella

Of a movie, encoded to the lowest common denominator the HD-DVD 30gb specifications.

exactly! if you consider troy has a runtime of 196min and max. space 30GB.
HOW can it be possible to make a videocodec with average high bitrates like Pirates or Casino Royale ect. ?

i cant imagine how this could work, maybe someone here will explain this to me!

MrVorhees · 09-20-2007, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by spam.curitiba

I am just saying it was on a blu-ray player....thats all...I didn't say it was up to the specs that blu-ray can do...Do you know how to read?

LOL and what did you wanted to tell us with that??? feel free to tell us what you have eaten at breakfast today as well.

spam.curitiba · 09-20-2007, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GSX600F

LOL and what did you wanted to tell us with that??? feel free to tell us what you have eaten today at breakfast as well.

holy shit...no reason to go ape shit dude.....I was just pointing out that it was a blu-ray disc as the poster made no mention of it being on a blu-ray disc. He made it sound from the title of his post it was a hd dvd.

I never said that it was blu-ray specs having this problem as you are trying to make it seem like...

spam.curitiba · 09-20-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GSX600F

exactly! if you consider troy has a runtime of 196min and max. space 30GB.
HOW can it be possible to make a videocodec with average high bitrates like Pirates or Casino Royale ect. ?

i cant imagine how this could work, maybe someone here will explain this to me!

what WB needs to do instead of putting the same thing on both hd dvd and blu-ray is make two different versions...I think that would help them see which one is better

MrVorhees · 09-20-2007, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by spam.curitiba

holy shit...no reason to go ape shit dude.....I was just pointing out that it was a blu-ray disc as the poster made no mention of it being on a blu-ray disc. He made it sound from the title of his post it was a hd dvd.

I never said that it was blu-ray specs having this problem as you are trying to make it seem like...

AGAIN, since Troy have the SAME videocodec on HD DVD and Blu-ray its irrelevant if its a Blu-ray or an HD DVD player.

Thing is, its all about the DISC not the player! And fact is, the disc has optimized specs. for HD DVD.

scott1256ca · 09-20-2007, 10:27 PM

what is it we are supposed to be seeing? The shots look blown out and whoever took the pictures didn't have a steady enough hand. Is that supposed to be macroblocking in the background of the first shot? I have no idea what the problem is supposed to be with the second, because of the unsteady hand.

Petra_Kalbrain · 09-20-2007, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by spam.curitiba

holy shit...no reason to go ape shit dude.....I was just pointing out that it was a blu-ray disc as the poster made no mention of it being on a blu-ray disc. He made it sound from the title of his post it was a hd dvd.

I never said that it was blu-ray specs having this problem as you are trying to make it seem like...

I do believe that the point being made against the "Blu-ray player" post is that in either case the type of format doesn't matter when it comes to the image posted on the screen. When a WB title is released on both formats it is still only going to be as BAD as the HD-DVD. So, pointing out that the image was taken from a Blu-ray source is absolutely, undeniably, unrefutably, pointless. The purpose was to show how the real potential quality of some Hi-Def media is being affected by HD-DVD limitations, REGARDLESS of the source being viewed.

reiella · 09-20-2007, 10:28 PM

However, as others mentioned in the AVS thread, this is one sample, from equipment. Best to see if it occurs on other sets first before jumping the gun.

spam.curitiba · 09-20-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GSX600F

AGAIN, since Troy have the SAME videocodec on HD DVD and Blu-ray its irrelevant if its a Blu-ray or an HD DVD player.

Thing is, its all about the DISC not the player! And fact is, the disc has optimized specs. for HD DVD.

*sigh*

no shit they have the same codec....everyone knows that...I was just pointing out that it was on a blu-ray player......

It's not like I said "Blu-ray sucks ass because it has that issue" which you are making it seems I said......

MrVorhees · 09-20-2007, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by scott1256ca

what is it we are supposed to be seeing? The shots look blown out and whoever took the pictures didn't have a steady enough hand. Is that supposed to be macroblocking in the background of the first shot? I have no idea what the problem is supposed to be with the second, because of the unsteady hand.

Oh c'mon you cant add microlocking into troys picture by shaking your camera,the whole picture include the tv must have microblocking then!

But ok what about the low bitrates? its NOT a dark scene, its a day scene with moving pictures, also fault of not having a steady hand? 7Mbps is a way TOO low for a next gen codec, its DVD niveau!

I have noticed the same S*** on departed as well, all the low bitrates scenes looked crap and totaly soft, i can give you the exactly timing if you want to check.

MrVorhees · 09-20-2007, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by spam.curitiba

*sigh*

no shit they have the same codec....everyone knows that...I was just pointing out that it was on a blu-ray player......

and i just say its useless to tell us its on a blu-ray player.

and BTW. you not just pointed out you pointed out very arrogant with your sentence "you do know....."

spam.curitiba · 09-20-2007, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GSX600F

and i just say its useless to tell us its on a blu-ray player.

and BTW. you not just pointed out you pointed out very arrogant with your sentence "you do know....."

How ever you take it big man.....

MrVorhees · 09-20-2007, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by reiella

However, as others mentioned in the AVS thread, this is one sample, from equipment. Best to see if it occurs on other sets first before jumping the gun.

so you listen to users from avs?

well they must be right, its equipments fault and 7mbps is enough so are 30gb, cause AVS say so

kaliraver · 09-20-2007, 10:38 PM

Blame HD-DVD for giving you the lower bitrates since this movie was optimized for the weaker HD-DVD format; lower bandwidth and smaller disc capacity. If it was optimized for Blu-Ray this would not have the macroblocking. WB really has to do seperate encodes to show off the better looking transfer that would always be Blu-Ray.

09-20-2007, 10:08 PM	#1
MrVorhees Special Member Top contributor Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Castle Grayskull 4K collection:2 Blu-ray collection:572 Blu-ray reviews:2	Another proof/sign 30GB just aint enough !!! "Artifacting in Troy: Director's Cut" and 7 Mbps scenes Source: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=911235 WHY ?? Because spacelimits of hd dvds 30gb? Could SONY or Disney have done this better?

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09-20-2007, 10:13 PM	#4
TauRus Active Member Member since:Dec 2006 Location:Chicago NW burbs	Yes, and the display seems to be very uncalibrated too

09-20-2007, 10:27 PM	#12
scott1256ca Active Member Member since:Oct 2006	what is it we are supposed to be seeing? The shots look blown out and whoever took the pictures didn't have a steady enough hand. Is that supposed to be macroblocking in the background of the first shot? I have no idea what the problem is supposed to be with the second, because of the unsteady hand.

09-20-2007, 10:28 PM	#14
reiella Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2006 Home Theater Gallery:1 Blu-ray collection:237 DVD collection:1	However, as others mentioned in the AVS thread, this is one sample, from equipment. Best to see if it occurs on other sets first before jumping the gun.

09-20-2007, 10:38 PM	#20
kaliraver Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2007 Location:San Francisco Bay Blu-Ray SteelBooks™: (150+) Blu-ray collection:373 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:285	Blame HD-DVD for giving you the lower bitrates since this movie was optimized for the weaker HD-DVD format; lower bandwidth and smaller disc capacity. If it was optimized for Blu-Ray this would not have the macroblocking. WB really has to do seperate encodes to show off the better looking transfer that would always be Blu-Ray.

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