Can Blu-Ray overcome...Standard DVD?

[photorebel]

I have 2 BR players in my house, well..3 if you count the PS3, but I only use it for gaming. I have about 50 BR titles. I LOVE BR! Big fan.
However, watching a Standard DVD on my HDTV LCD, it's really looks good. And that's just on a regular DVD (upconverting)player, not a BR.
Now I can tell the difference, sure!
But for the mass market, maybe upconverted DVD is..."good enough"?
I really hope BR takes off.
I don't think Downloads are near the threat to BR's success as DVDs. Many say, they just don't have a reason to replace their DVD collection.
Even I'm not replacing EVERY DVD, just my favorites, as they become available.
(just got in the Dirty Harry Box set (BR)..Yay!)

[zxvfrr41]

Blu-ray has interactive features that standard DVD doesn't. It holds more so more extras / features can be put on the disc. Once the prices come down, its appeal to the mass market will improve greatly.

[savage1984]

Originally Posted by photorebel

I have 2 BR players in my house, well..3 if you count the PS3, but I only use it for gaming. I have about 50 BR titles. I LOVE BR! Big fan.
However, watching a Standard DVD on my HDTV LCD, it's really looks good. And that's just on a regular DVD (upconverting)player, not a BR.
Now I can tell the difference, sure!
But for the mass market, maybe upconverted DVD is..."good enough"?
I really hope BR takes off.
I don't think Downloads are near the threat to BR's success as DVDs. Many say, they just don't have a reason to replace their DVD collection.
Even I'm not replacing EVERY DVD, just my favorites, as they become available.
(just got in the Dirty Harry Box set (BR)..Yay!)

That's a great question. Right now, blu-ray is on a nice pace. I don't see it overtaking DVD before 2012. I hope by then it's about 50/50. I think once an HDTV is in every household that can afford one, blu-ray stands a much better chance.

[Beta Man]

welcome to the "early adopters" club.....


Eventually you will only be able to get HD TVs and eventually Blu Ray will have equal floor space at retail........ then things will begin to turn.

[photorebel]

Originally Posted by zxvfrr41

Blu-ray has interactive features that standard DVD doesn't. It holds more so more extras / features can be put on the disc. Once the prices come down, its appeal to the mass market will improve greatly.

i think you have a great point! Prices!
I remember when DVD first came out, they were around what BR prices are now...$5 or so.
When we started seeing sub -$20 pricing, and sometimes BB or CC would have new releases for $14.99, that helped DVD take off.
That, and the prices of players came down.
Also, it was a bigger jump in PQ from VHS to DVD, than from DVD to BR...in the public's mind.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by zxvfrr41

Blu-ray has interactive features that standard DVD doesn't. It holds more so more extras / features can be put on the disc. Once the prices come down, its appeal to the mass market will improve greatly.

no offense, but that sounds very reminisent of what the hd dvd fanboys used to say and we know how that technology ended up. if the industry hasn't gathered, very few people care that much about extras and while price is certainly a key factor, price alone will not sell a product.

i think blu-rays biggest problem is not enough QUALITY hdtvs are out there. and unless you have a quality hdtv that is rather large (42 inch +), you are not going to see much of a difference. if people don't see much of a difference, then the value in blu-ray simply isn't there.

[Beast]

I have a 27" TV and I see plenty of difference. So that's bunk.

It will take time. Just like how it took time for DVD to kill VHS. It's not going to happen overnight.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by Beast

I have a 27" TV and I see plenty of difference. So that's bunk.

It will take time. Just like how it took time for DVD to kill VHS.

how close are you sitting though?

are you sitting as far away as a family would in a family room setting.

at home i sit about 5 feet away from my tv and i can see a big difference, but at school i sit more like 10-12 feet away, and there isn't that much of a difference between blu and dvd. i have 20/20 vision, so its not my eyesight either.

[savage1984]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

no offense, but that sounds very reminisent of what the hd dvd fanboys used to say and we know how that technology ended up.

i think blu-rays biggest problem is not enough QUALITY hdtvs are out there. and unless you have a quality hdtv that is rather large (42 inch +), you are not going to see much of a difference.

i agree. I think audio difference has improved drastically too! If people make the leap into audio, even an HTIB with HDMI capable reciever, they'll notice a huge difference.

Selling on sound as much as video will be HUGE!

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by savage1984

i agree. I think audio difference has improved drastically too! If people make the leap into audio, even an HTIB with HDMI capable reciever, they'll notice a huge difference.

Selling on sound as much as video will be HUGE!

heres the big problem though. we are dealing with J6P and we are dealing with J6P in a recession.

J6P goes to wal-mart buys a big 47 inch Vizio 1080p and thinks he has a state of the art home theater. Can he hear the movie fine? yep. Does he really want to spend another 1500 for a decent sound system, nope, hes got better things to spend money on, hes very content with his Vizio. I bet less than 10% of hdtv owners own an HD capable audio system, so audio is really a moot point when talking about mass adoption.

[savage1984]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

heres the big problem though. we are dealing with J6P and we are dealing with J6P in a recession.

J6P goes to wal-mart buys a big 47 inch Vizio 1080p and thinks he has a state of the art home theater. Can he hear the movie fine? yep. Does he really want to spend another 1500 for a decent sound system, nope, hes got better things to spend money on, hes very content with his Vizio. I bet less than 10% of hdtv owners own an HD capable audio system, so audio is really a moot point when talking about mass adoption.

Indeed... but a HTIB with hdmi capable receiver isn't 1500, more like 500...

I know what you mean, but there has to be a solution. I mean first the tv $2000, then the audio $1000, then the bd player, $300... that's one helluvan upgrade for J6P... Blu-ray has some serious financial obstacles to overcome!

[dgator783]

people said that Dvd would never overcome VHS when it was first released, and it did ( i remember the cost of a dvd player was a few hundred and they are now as low as 30 bucks). Im sure the same will happen with Blu-ray....time and be patient, its not going to happen overnight. Its gonna take years for consumer adoption esp in the economy we have now, might take a little longer. Just keep buying your Blu-rays, support the format, and try to show others what the format can do.

[tron3]

Originally Posted by photorebel

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But for the mass market, maybe upconverted DVD is..."good enough"?
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I don't think Downloads are near the threat to BR's success as DVDs. Many say, they just don't have a reason to replace their DVD collection.
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With that being said maybe the studios can go back to SD TV and just upconvert it when they broadcast. That is good enough for us, right?

Downloads hasn't undone the music CD business in 10 years time, nor will it undo the movie disc business. Downloads and video on demand serve different market segments. They are not out to destroy hard media all together.

Though, there still are people who don't want you to own the movie. They want you pay each time you watch ite. Oh hey, look, there's Video on Demand.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

at home i sit about 5 feet away from my tv and i can see a big difference, but at school i sit more like 10-12 feet away, and there isn't that much of a difference between blu and dvd.

I think it's awesome that you guys have Blu at school!

[john_1958]

Originally Posted by zxvfrr41

Blu-ray has interactive features that standard DVD doesn't. It holds more so more extras / features can be put on the disc. Once the prices come down, its appeal to the mass market will improve greatly.

i agree prices have to come down for people to afford

[aygie]

Blu ray doesn't have an uphill struggle like DVD had (having to persuade people that a different type of media is better).

People are used to discs and will enviably have to upgrade their players, being backwards compatible it would be silly to buy a DVD player of a Blu ray one.

[SeahawxBlu]

I remember paying nearly $500 for my first DVD player and that was at Walmart. Movies were in the $30 range and I was very picky over what I bought. Just recently, I bought a DVD player at Best Buy for a gift and it was $50. Nowadays, movies are often $5 at Walmart or Target too.

In a couple of years or so, once the technology gets cheaper, BD will take off and leave DVD behind.

[Marine Mike]

Can Blu-Ray overcome...Standard DVD?

Yes, once there is an accepted format better than Blu-Ray.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by savage1984

Indeed... but a HTIB with hdmi capable receiver isn't 1500, more like 500...

I know what you mean, but there has to be a solution. I mean first the tv $2000, then the audio $1000, then the bd player, $300... that's one helluvan upgrade for J6P... Blu-ray has some serious financial obstacles to overcome!

yeah, but you need a quality sub and speakers, which is going to be quite a bit more.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by Aygie

Blu ray doesn't have an uphill struggle like DVD had (having to persuade people that a different type of media is better).

People are used to discs and will enviably have to upgrade their players, being backwards compatible it would be silly to buy a DVD player of a Blu ray one.

Blu-ray has the uphill struggle of people have to have a relatively new and expensive TV in order for blu-ray to show its benefit. Thats more of an uphill battle than DVD had.