Why so many new Releases without TrueHD or DTS-HD MA audio?

[mrbakeman]

I was curious why with the new Dolby True HD and DTS-HD MA so many new releases are only coming out with just Dolby Digital 5.1? Speed Racer, Journey to Center of the Earth, Get Smart, all with only Dolby Digital 5.1 instead of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD-MA, i thought the whole point of Bluray was to provide true high definition audio and video?

[SDon1969]

I knew about Get Smart and Speed Racer, but Journey too?! That stinks. Freakin' Warner...

[bases1616]

Originally Posted by mrbakeman

I was curious why with the new Dolby True HD and DTS-HD MA so many new releases are only coming out with just Dolby Digital 5.1? Speed Racer, Journey to Center of the Earth, Get Smart, all with only Dolby Digital 5.1 instead of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD-MA, i thought the whole point of Bluray was to provide true high definition audio and video?

You need to be more specific. Why so many new releases from Warner without lossless audio. Warner has not come out and said anything about this at all. There is already a thread talking about this please got there. Mods please move these posts or delete them and close thread.


https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ghlight=warner

[MOONPHASE]

most movies on blu-ray only use a 25gb disc except for the hottest movies but on those 25 gb discs they max it out with extras, way to many language options, etc. like Speed Racer Blu-ray is only on a 25gb disc. so the better question is why isn't warner trying to use more 50gb discs and just put the extras on a 25gb disc?

[mrbakeman]

Originally Posted by bases1616

You need to be more specific. Why so many new releases from Warner without lossless audio. Warner has not come out and said anything about this at all. There is already a thread talking about this please got there. Mods please move these posts or delete them and close thread.


https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ghlight=warner

Be more specific! I think i was very specific. I didn't see any other posts related to this. It's not just Warner, according to the coming soon releases Journey is a New Line release.

[JimShaw]

Originally Posted by mrbakeman

I was curious why with the new Dolby True HD and DTS-HD MA so many new releases are only coming out with just Dolby Digital 5.1? Speed Racer, Journey to Center of the Earth, Get Smart, all with only Dolby Digital 5.1 instead of Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD-MA, i thought the whole point of Bluray was to provide true high definition audio and video?

I agree. I personally love movies, and don't care that much about PQ. My button is AQ. If a Blu only has Digital 5.1, I don't waste the $$$ on it. I purchase the DVD version to enjoy the movie and save money to buy the Blus that step up.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by mrbakeman

Be more specific! I think i was very specific. I didn't see any other posts related to this. It's not just Warner, according to the coming soon releases Journey is a New Line release.

New Line = Warner now. They fully control the company as of earlier this year.

[mrbakeman]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

New Line = Warner now. They fully control the company as of earlier this year.

Did not know that, that explains it i guess. Thanks!

[DeadLikeSteve]

Originally Posted by MOONPHASE

most movies on blu-ray only use a 25gb disc except for the hottest movies but on those 25 gb discs they max it out with extras, way to many language options, etc. like Speed Racer Blu-ray is only on a 25gb disc. so the better question is why isn't warner trying to use more 50gb discs and just put the extras on a 25gb disc?

Money. They are cutting corners where they can and people still buy their movies. There are a few people on this forum that will not buy from anyone if the disc is not lossless. They are in the minority and Warner knows it. Until the movie buying population completely stops purchasing non-lossless audio movies these kinds of activities will continue.

Calling or writing the movie houses wont change these business practices only sales numbers will. vote with your wallet.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by DeadLikeSteve

Money. They are cutting corners where they can and people still buy their movies. There are a few people on this forum that will not buy from anyone if the disc is not lossless. They are in the minority and Warner knows it. Until the movie buying population completely stops purchasing non-lossless audio movies these kinds of activities will continue.

Calling or writing the movie houses wont change these business practices only sales numbers will. vote with your wallet.

There is actually a shortage of 50GB discs out there.

See earlier this year, there was still much uncertainty over blu-rays success.

Paramount and Universal did not support the format at all and blu-ray marketshare was less than half of what it is now.

Then, WB goes BD exclusive and within months Parmaount and Universal competely switch sides and start churning out every new release and catalogs on BD too.

On top of all that Kojima, Media Molecule and Insomniac go, hey Sony we can't fit our games on BD25s, we need BD50s and between all 3 of them, nearly 10 million BD50s get sucked up.

Due to this though, Universal has been limited I belive to BD25s and their audio has been loseless, which proves to show that WB NEEDS TO GET WITH THE PROGRAM!!!

[J.Cornelius]

I wonder if it has anything to do with box office success? Speed Racer was a total bust, estimated cost was like 150M and took in about 44M. Maybe the executives did a cost benefit analysis of adding a lossless audio track to the Blu Ray release. Pure speculation of course.

[davcole]

Seriously, is there any one other than Warner/Newline who is releasing DD only on it's theatrical releases?

[bajor27]

Originally Posted by J.Cornelius

I wonder if it has anything to do with box office success? Speed Racer was a total bust, estimated cost was like 150M and took in about 44M. Maybe the executives did a cost benefit analysis of adding a lossless audio track to the Blu Ray release. Pure speculation of course.

The money argument might work for Speed Racer, but it doesn't work for Journey or Get Smart.

[mrbakeman]

Originally Posted by bajor27

The money argument might work for Speed Racer, but it doesn't work for Journey or Get Smart.

I don't know if i want to go as far as boycotting everything Warner because let's face it, it was Warner who ended the format war with their decision to go exclusive blu. My question would be does it really cost them that much more to put the lossless track instead of the DD track?

[JimShaw]

Originally Posted by DeadLikeSteve

Money. They are cutting corners where they can and people still buy their movies. There are a few people on this forum that will not buy from anyone if the disc is not lossless. They are in the minority and Warner knows it. Until the movie buying population completely stops purchasing non-lossless audio movies these kinds of activities will continue.

Calling or writing the movie houses wont change these business practices only sales numbers will. vote with your wallet.

Exactly

[Lucy Diamond]

They re-released Superman returns.

This fact, to me, throws all arguments out the window and poses all new questions.

They must be aware of the issue and they must want their movies to be the best they can possibly be. There are production and duplication timelines and shortages to consider at this (still) early stage of the game, so maybe they just want to get their stuff out there.

We'll see what happens, but I don't buy the "it's good enough - ship it!!" theories at all.

[Tempest]

We should create a black list of all titles not containing lossless audio so people can reference it quickly for titles NOT TO BUY.

Also make a list for horrible transfers.

[cydetrakd]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

There is actually a shortage of 50GB discs out there.

See earlier this year, there was still much uncertainty over blu-rays success.

Paramount and Universal did not support the format at all and blu-ray marketshare was less than half of what it is now.

Then, WB goes BD exclusive and within months Parmaount and Universal competely switch sides and start churning out every new release and catalogs on BD too.

On top of all that Kojima, Media Molecule and Insomniac go, hey Sony we can't fit our games on BD25s, we need BD50s and between all 3 of them, nearly 10 million BD50s get sucked up.

Due to this though, Universal has been limited I belive to BD25s and their audio has been loseless, which proves to show that WB NEEDS TO GET WITH THE PROGRAM!!!

this was news to me but it doesn't come as a surprise sony and first party developers wants to make the best quality product they can for the ps3 and movie studios want to do the same with the exception of Warner even though we owe them for winning the war for us. Hopefully bluray disc manufacturers will step up their game and make more 50gb discs asap which will mean all movies will be best quality if warner starts making all their releases full hd instead of just hd pic

[cydetrakd]

Originally Posted by Tempest

We should create a black list of all titles not containing lossless audio so people can reference it quickly for titles NOT TO BUY.

Also make a list for horrible transfers.

it should even be a sticky

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

Due to this though, Universal has been limited I belive to BD25s and their audio has been loseless, which proves to show that WB NEEDS TO GET WITH THE PROGRAM!!!

For the record, Universal has released several movies on BD50s.

Originally Posted by J.Cornelius

I wonder if it has anything to do with box office success? Speed Racer was a total bust, estimated cost was like 150M and took in about 44M. Maybe the executives did a cost benefit analysis of adding a lossless audio track to the Blu Ray release. Pure speculation of course.

SR's Dolby Digital soundtrack at 640k is a separate soundtrack from the DVD release... meaning that if WB decided it wasn't worth it, it was simply because they didn't want to spend the money on a BD50 (which is probably what you meant), but some titles from WB have been found to have room to spare on the BD.... regardless of whether or not it's a BD50 or BD25. Don't remember about SR though...

Originally Posted by Lucy Diamond

They re-released Superman returns.

This fact, to me, throws all arguments out the window and poses all new questions.

They must be aware of the issue and they must want their movies to be the best they can possibly be. There are production and duplication timelines and shortages to consider at this (still) early stage of the game, so maybe they just want to get their stuff out there.

We'll see what happens, but I don't buy the "it's good enough - ship it!!" theories at all.

Pioneer (or Panasonic... one of the "P" companies, though I'm pretty sure it's Pioneer) PAID for WB to add a "lossless" track to SR. WB probably just sold out of their original run of SR discs, so it really didn't cost them anything to do a new version... unlike Sony.

~Alan