Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

It's nothing to do with versions, they look like crap

I was watching segments of 'Empire' the other day and I thought the colors were looking a bit too saturated at times

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by Vlad Draculi

Maybe to you, but the BDs for them look fantastic. The movies have never looked better. Just because they aren't the theatrical versions does not mean they look terrible.

They're not terrible, they're just mediocre, which is especially lame when you factor in the fact that it's Star Wars and should be receiving the royalty treatment. They look alright and the colors are better than the weird color-grading of the DVD editions, but there's tons of room for improvement. I fully expect Disney's next release based off of the new 4K scans to blow this version out of the water no problem.

[HeavyHitter]

They really look poor in comparison to properly done remasters from this era. The discs retain a digital-looking image with fake grain, frozen grain, DNR, and odd color timing. Are they absolutely horrible? No, there are worse catalog titles from Universal and Paramount for example. But, they are not good and movies like this (SE or not) should be looking top notch. I mean these are 12 year-old scans! That is ancient.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

I was watching segments of 'Empire' the other day and I thought the colors were looking a bit too saturated at times

The issues is less the saturation, and more they are 100% wrong

[StingingVelvet]

Yeah, they are desaturated for sure. Maybe someone has their color setting up high.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Yeah, they are desaturated for sure. Maybe someone has their color setting up high.

No I meant the issue is not the saturation but the colours being wrong.
Corrected so it reads like English

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

the colors are better than the weird color-grading of the DVD editions

Sometimes.

Sometimes the bad DVD colors are still there.

ANH looks a lot better than ROTJ to me. ROTJ looked like an upconverted DVD. I haven't watched the TESB disc yet.

[KRW1]

Originally Posted by mredman

. Also surrounding Mos Eisley in the unaltered version the place looks like a small village that clearly would not work either.

It's a desert planet, so it was always explained away as being mostly underground with few buildings on the surface. I could totally live with that.

[dvdmike]

Hoth was never blue

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

They're not terrible, they're just mediocre, which is especially lame when you factor in the fact that it's Star Wars and should be receiving the royalty treatment. They look alright and the colors are better than the weird color-grading of the DVD editions, but there's tons of room for improvement. I fully expect Disney's next release based off of the new 4K scans to blow this version out of the water no problem.

Still the same underlying master with the colour jacked up to silly levels though, all they've done is tone down the very worst artefacts that it caused in the first place like the blue fringing around the Death Star explosion.

[Geoff D]

Thought I'd get out the '04 DVD to have a look see at the Death Star (yep, bizarre blue fringing a-go-go) but what really struck me was the sound quality when it explodes, there's some blatant clipping when it first goes up (which is even worse on the DD 2.0 downmix). People may remember I've mentioned that before in reference to the other two movies on Blu because they basically had the super-hot DVD mixes ported over, whereas Ep IV on Blu sounds much smoother because it was specially remixed yet again. Pity the other movies weren't afforded the same courtesy.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Thought I'd get out the '04 DVD to have a look see at the Death Star (yep, bizarre blue fringing a-go-go) but what really struck me was the sound quality when it explodes, there's some blatant clipping when it first goes up (which is even worse on the DD 2.0 downmix). People may remember I've mentioned that before in reference to the other two movies on Blu because they basically had the super-hot DVD mixes ported over, whereas Ep IV on Blu sounds much smoother because it was specially remixed yet again. Pity the other movies weren't afforded the same courtesy.

The score was messed up also

[Geoff D]

I know, I was playing around with the DD 2.0 because the music doesn't sound so weird in the rears compared to the 5.1 EX on the DVD, but the clipping is horrendous so that's out.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I know, I was playing around with the DD 2.0 because the music doesn't sound so weird in the rears compared to the 5.1 EX on the DVD, but the clipping is horrendous so that's out.

Shame the LD or the original 35mm tracks could not be found and synched somehow...

[Geoff D]

Indeed.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Hoth was never blue

From 1980:





All the ILM Hoth still shots in the magazine are even bluer than the Blu-rays.


Some other mags I have from the era are the same.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Shame the LD or the original 35mm tracks could not be found and synched somehow...

Yeah. Gee. That would be...impossible.

[StingingVelvet]

My memories of Hoth are definitely a strong blue cast, but that probably comes from watching that movie a hundred times on a cool whites CRT all through my youth. Today's TVs, especially when calibrated, are a lot warmer. Some warm modes are too warm, yet we advise everyone use warm by default, creating a whole new problem the opposite direction.

Hoth looks pretty blue on my calibrated set, in any event. Though not as blue as my memories of it, for explained reasons.

[Blu-21]

I have the theatrical cuts (LD ports) on DVD, and Hoth in Empire looks blue as it should.

[dubious]

... and Luke's airspeeder pulls off an MC Escher loop trick around the AT-AT legs.

I don't always watch Star Wars, but when I do, I put in blue Hoth.