Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[jabz]

I've never seen the original trilogy uncut theatrical releases. Can someone advise which original trilogy release should I watch and where to obtain it? i.e. DVD or Laser disc? Has any of them been transferred (uncut) to digital copy etc?

[Nailwraps]

Originally Posted by jabz

I've never seen the original trilogy uncut theatrical releases. Can someone advise which original trilogy release should I watch and where to obtain it? i.e. DVD or Laser disc? Has any of them been transferred (uncut) to digital copy etc?

The 2006 LE DVDs.

No, they have not been transferred to digital copy.

[Porco Azzurro]

Originally Posted by JackKnightStarman

You forgot the "my childhood has been Raped" extremists. Ridiculous, overstated, and just plain belligerent fanbase, that wonders why other generations of people feel a the same sense of entitlement about things....

Eloquently put.

Originally Posted by rickah88

I prefer to use the word ruined, when quoting those that are actually warped enough to use the name of felonious crime to describe a movie being changed.
It's really off the charts warped, and there's zero defense for it.

Like I said, I'd love to have the UOTs on BD, but I can safely say that my past, present and future are completely fine if it doesn't happen.

Also eloquently put.

Personally I find the use of word 'rape' when people describe their opinions about the special editions/BD editions or prequels (well, for that matter for a negative view of any film they have a problem with) extremely offensive. Not just towards the filmmaker/filmmakers they are referring to, but towards others too. In my view it's an insensitive and inappropriate term in such contexts, and also goes some way to undermine the credibility of the argument being made too.

I have no problem with people wanting a so-called 'unaltered' version of the Star Wars films being restored and released on BD (I would like that myself), and I respect anyone's right to say they don't enjoy the prequels and why they feel that way (what is the point of a forum about films/movies if everyone just agreed about everything anyway?).

...but when I read people using the term 'rape' in relation to changes to films, or the even worse terms used about the prequels, well I have to be honest, my eyes glaze over and I feel less interested in what that person has to say, because if that is the level of unnecessary hyperbole their thought process is working on, it makes me question if it's worth my time reading it any further.

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by Nailwraps

The 2006 LE DVDs.

No, they have not been transferred to digital copy.

In terms of physical media, the widescreen Japanese mid 1980's Laserdisc releases of the Star Wars OT are the best presentations of the films.

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

In terms of physical media, the widescreen Japanese mid 1980's Laserdisc releases of the Star Wars OT are the best presentations of the films.

I had these at one time on DVD. Not sure what I did with them lol

[svenge]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

I had these at one time on DVD. Not sure what I did with them lol

I think I have the Dark_Jedi DVD-R conversions of the 1987 Japanese "Special Collection" LD release myself in some binder somewhere. Never could get used to the letterboxed picture being shifted significantly upwards to make room for the Japanese hardsubs, though.

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by Porco Azzurro

Eloquently put.



Also eloquently put.

Personally I find the use of word 'rape' when people describe their opinions about the special editions/BD editions or prequels (well, for that matter for a negative view of any film they have a problem with) extremely offensive. Not just towards the filmmaker/filmmakers they are referring to, but towards others too. In my view it's an insensitive and inappropriate term in such contexts, and also goes some way to undermine the credibility of the argument being made too.

I have no problem with people wanting a so-called 'unaltered' version of the Star Wars films being restored and released on BD (I would like that myself), and I respect anyone's right to say they don't enjoy the prequels and why they feel that way (what is the point of a forum about films/movies if everyone just agreed about everything anyway?).

...but when I read people using the term 'rape' in relation to changes to films, or the even worse terms used about the prequels, well I have to be honest, my eyes glaze over and I feel less interested in what that person has to say, because if that is the level of unnecessary hyperbole their thought process is working on, it makes me question if it's worth my time reading it any further.

I feel ya. As much as I may dislike the SE's I will never say my childhood was 'raped'. That really just doesnt sound right IMO. Its one thing to be unhappy that the OUT is not available anymore but dont push it. Anyways I myself dont disagree with the artists desire to 'improve' upon their works. As long as the original is packaged with it. Even Spielberg was nice enough to include the 1982 E.T. when he released his 'Special Edition' of that film on DVD for the first time.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Sorry, just not going to spend a decade(or more) crying over it...but that's just me.

If they kept it to crying, it wouldn't be a problem. The problem is the nonstop hostility and aggression. It's completely unjustifiable, and it does not come "equal from both sides", not by a long shot. Around here, it's always the same handful of people who have a sanction for talking to others with a totally unacceptable level of disrespect and antagonism, and it's all on that side. People on your side get suspended just for objecting to being attacked.

[Lincoln6Echo]

I'm starting a #StarWars marathon tonight. I haven't watched Ep. I in a while, and boy, after going thru 5.5 seasons of The Clone Wars and a season and a half of Rebels now, I can honestly say that Ep. I really does suck. The only redeeming quality of Episode I is the Darth Maul fight at the end. What totally kills this film is the 10-yr old Anakin played by Jake Lloyd. Totally miscast, and at the wrong age. Even the Jedi Council said, "this kid is too old for training." What Lucas should have done is to skip this part of the story, and go into his teenage years as an already recruited into the Jedi Apprenticeship program, with just flashbacks to his earlier childhood on Tatooine.

Before the excellent Clone Wars series, I had always thought that Ep I should have been the set-up for the Clone Wars with the the first two Acts of Ep. II, with the entirety of Ep. II being entirely about the Clone Wars, and the Ep. III being pretty much what it was. But because the Clone Wars was kind of skipped over in the films, it allowed us to have a great 100+ episode run of a ground breaking CG series that literally gave us more hours of Star Wars entertainment than all the 8 films (including the 2 Ewok movies) put together. And now we have the very promising Rebels series which I assume is replacing the once rumored "Dark Times" live-action series.

And while I'm here, I'd like to weigh in on the UAOT and the SEOT. Personally, I don't think the altercations went far enough. I would have liked to have seen some of the original deleted scenes restored if at all possible, such as the Luke homestead scenes with Biggs in ANH, and some more Hoth Echo Base deleted scenes with the caged Wampas but with CG enhancements. But mainly I would have liked to have seen a thorough revamp of lightsaber and laser bolt effects in at least ANH and TESB. I think they had that problem fixed by ROTJ. The problem being that the laser bolts were just animated as red smears in ANH, and even into TESB. Prior to Rebels, it was thought that the OT lightsabers were consistent with the PT/Clone Wars style of blades, but maybe not so much anymore. But strengthening them would have been better, that's for sure. Also some of the special effects during the Battle of Yavin could have been changed too. The SEs added some new shots, but kept in most of the original shots of X-wings/Y-wings crashing into the Deathstar and they're just not consistent with the new scenes. Totally pulls you out of the whole scene.

I know all of that is sacrilege to the hardcore fanboys, but so what...because here's what happened with the SEs across all 3 versions, (the '97, '04, and '11) is that they were all rushed for those specific release dates. And Lucasfilm didn't take the time to really complete the work. Because let's be honest...after 3 tries, there's still problems with the prints, from inconsistent lightsaber effects and color-timing differences. The grain levels in the BD transfers is also quite high to the point Tatooine looks like a sand storm.

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by svenge

I think I have the Dark_Jedi DVD-R conversions of the 1987 Japanese "Special Collection" LD release myself in some binder somewhere. Never could get used to the letterboxed picture being shifted significantly upwards to make room for the Japanese hardsubs, though.

When I receive my LD Japanese "Special Collection" editions in the mail, I plan to use my video processor to shift the image down vertically to normalize the letterboxing.

[jabz]

Originally Posted by Nailwraps

The 2006 LE DVDs.

No, they have not been transferred to digital copy.

Great thanks, I've just discovered the edition that was talked about a few pages back..

[balthazar_bee]

Originally Posted by JackKnightStarman

You forgot the "my childhood has been Raped" extremists. Ridiculous, overstated, and just plain belligerent fanbase, that wonders why other generations of people feel a the same sense of entitlement about things....

You might consider changing your name to JackKnightStrawman, because surely you know that, for every time the whole "childhood rape" canard is trotted out, it's invariably being reverse-engineered to attack anyone who has a problem with (a) the prequels or (b) the special editions of the OT.

Quite honestly, I can't remember ever having read, heard or otherwise encountered the rape analogy except in this manner.

[happydood]

Originally Posted by balthazar_bee

You might consider changing your name to JackKnightStrawman, because surely you know that, for every time the whole "childhood rape" canard is trotted out, it's invariably being reverse-engineered to attack anyone who has a problem with (a) the prequels or (b) the special editions of the OT.

Quite honestly, I can't remember ever having read, heard or otherwise encountered the rape analogy except in this manner.

Have you ever visited the talkbacks at aintitcoolnews.com?

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by balthazar_bee

Quite honestly, I can't remember ever having read, heard or otherwise encountered the rape analogy except in this manner.

Then you haven't been on the internet in the last 15 years.

[JackKnightStarman]

Originally Posted by balthazar_bee

You might consider changing your name to JackKnightStrawman, because surely you know that, for every time the whole "childhood rape" canard is trotted out, it's invariably being reverse-engineered to attack anyone who has a problem with (a) the prequels or (b) the special editions of the OT.

Quite honestly, I can't remember ever having read, heard or otherwise encountered the rape analogy except in this manner.

I'm not saying I believe that. I'm calling out people who used that term since '97, when the Special Editions were released. You would know that if you were born early enough to understand when the term "Rape" was being used to describe people's feelings. @$$#at...

[motorheadache95]

There's also weird fanboys who can't handle the EU becoming "Legends" alternate continuity, going as far as to announce a spoiler "jihad" of the new movie if Disney doesn't re-canonize it. A fanbase the size of Star Wars is always going to have the crazies.

That has nothing to do with people criticizing the prequels or OT alterations though. And I rarely see people pull out the "rape" card on this website. The worst we get here is people who act obnoxiously condescending or passive aggressive, and that goes for both sides of the argument.

[Nailwraps]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

There's also weird fanboys who can't handle the EU becoming "Legends" alternate continuity, going as far as to announce a spoiler "jihad" of the new movie if Disney doesn't re-canonize it. A fanbase the size of Star Wars is always going to have the crazies.

To me, I consider the EU still canon, less something is reestablish making a EU story no longer canon.

[stvn1974]

George Lucas didn't rape anyone's childhood...he did ruin Star Wars, however.

[rickah88]

George Lucas has given much more than he's taken away.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by balthazar_bee

Quite honestly, I can't remember ever having read, heard or otherwise encountered the rape analogy except in this manner.

I'm not sure if it was the first used to describe a movie, but there were fan protests when a remake of the original King Kong was announced: "Don't Rape the Ape!"