Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Guydowood

Of course I get the 'continuity' Lucas intended with the special editions to flow with the prequels. But I always believed and still what a disservice it was to omit the actor's who originally played those bits parts in key sequences. The Emperor in Empire and Boba Fett's lines in TESB and Anakin in ROTJ. Even down to the poor excuse of sound bites as in Luke's fall in Bespin City and the wilheim scream. Vader's original line at the end of TESB when he is pissed he lost Luke and simply says: "Bring my shuttle", to the over extended and off key James Earl Jones "Alert my star destroyer of my arrival" and of course the deliberate "NOOOOOO". It's pretty well documented of Uncle George's dry sense of humor and I can see him sitting at the editing bay snickering to himself like a six year old child hahahah let's see what else I can change because I can.....

Amazing how in nearly 3000 pages nobody's had these complaints before

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

When I finished my marathon this past weekend I realized ROTJ is the one that really benefits the most from having seen Episodes I-III. That's when it all comes together, and so much of what transpires in the film has more weight to it when you know the backstory. The ending especially is, I thought, even more powerful when seen in the context of the saga and not just as the climax of the original trilogy.

So, I can finally see where you were coming from now.

There's a lot more weight to Vader's decision scene when we think of him having been there before in Sith, yep. Of course, Lucas then went and completely screwed the brooding atmosphere of that moment by adding the "no...NOOOOooooOOOOooooOO!" to it. Even without the prequels to add more depth to the scene you can almost see the cogs turning in Vader's mind. Now we're left in no doubt whatsoever. Thanks again, George.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

There's a lot more weight to Vader's decision scene when we think of him having been there before in Sith, yep. Of course, Lucas then went and completely screwed the brooding atmosphere of that moment by adding the "no...NOOOOooooOOOOooooOO!" to it. Even without the prequels to add more depth to the scene you can almost see the cogs turning in Vader's mind. Now we're left in no doubt whatsoever. Thanks again, George.

To me that is worst change Lucas ever made to the OT. That, Greedo shooting first/same time, and the horrible CGI Jabba.

[Geoff D]

I like the revised CG Jabba, even the Greedo issue never bothered me like it did the rest of Star Wars fandom. As I said, even the Hayden force ghost doesn't bother me on a conceptual level. But man, the Blu-ray versions really were a facelift too far for Star Wars and Jedi, there's so much utterly unnecessary stuff added while goofs like the blatant garbage mattes in the space battle at the end of Jedi STILL go untouched. Boy, am I glad those Ewoks blink now though!

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I like the revised CG Jabba, even the Greedo issue never bothered me like it did the rest of Star Wars fandom. As I said, even the Hayden force ghost doesn't bother me on a conceptual level. But man, the Blu-ray versions really were a facelift too far for Star Wars and Jedi, there's so much utterly unnecessary stuff added while goofs like the blatant garbage mattes in the space battle at the end of Jedi STILL go untouched. Boy, am I glad those Ewoks blink now though!

Yep, and don't forget the TIE fighters that magically appear on screen when they first engage the rebel fleet in ROTJ.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

If you take out episode I it doesn't take up too much time

Yeah but I love me some Phantom Menace.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Yeah but I love me some Phantom Menace.

When I watch The Phantom Menace it takes me about 30-40 minutes because I skip past all of the needless fluff. The same goes for Attack of the Clones.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

Yep, and don't forget the TIE fighters that magically appear on screen when they first engage the rebel fleet in ROTJ.

That doesn't bother me as much, it's simply a goof in the compositing whereas those extant mattes are greatly exposed by transferring at the incorrect gamma. That's one thing that the new restoration should be able to mitigate quite well without any need for overt digital trickery.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

When I watch The Phantom Menace it takes me about 30-40 minutes because I skip past all of the needless fluff. The same goes for Attack of the Clones.

I've started doing that with Clones (and I've pretty much always done that with Jedi) but I genuinely love TPM. Can't skip any of it anytime I watch it

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Yeah but I love me some Phantom Menace.

Me too, but it's still so detached from the other movies (IMO) that it feels more like a 'Star Wars Story' spin-off to me.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

There's a lot more weight to Vader's decision scene when we think of him having been there before in Sith, yep. Of course, Lucas then went and completely screwed the brooding atmosphere of that moment by adding the "no...NOOOOooooOOOOooooOO!" to it. Even without the prequels to add more depth to the scene you can almost see the cogs turning in Vader's mind. Now we're left in no doubt whatsoever. Thanks again, George.

Indeed. Just the characterization of Vader in ROTJ in general gels really well with the PT. Suddenly we see that he's a broken, emotionally conflicted and tortured man, and that makes sense when we've seen him as Anakin and how he became Vader in the first place.

There's various other little things, Yoda's death for example was more emotional having the PT in the back of my mind. It's very interesting with Yoda actually, if you view the OT alone he's this kind of quirky old wizard, but going from the PT to the OT he suddenly becomes a tragic character. When he tells Luke not to underestimate the Emperor, we recall his (and the Jedi order's) own failure in letting this evil grow and then unsuccessfully attempting to remedy it at last minute.

In the past I used to feel like ROTJ was maybe a bit too lighthearted, almost sugar-coated with its sweetness, humor and perfect ending, but now... they earned it, dammit, they earned it.

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Me too, but it's still so detached from the other movies (IMO) that it feels more like a 'Star Wars Story' spin-off to me.

It's very detached, but ultimately I'm not gonna pass up an excuse to watch a movie I enjoy If it means adding an extra day to the marathon, fine by me.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

Indeed. Just the characterization of Vader in ROTJ in general gels really well with the PT. Suddenly we see that he's a broken, emotionally conflicted and tortured man, and that makes sense when we've seen him as Anakin and how he became Vader in the first place.

There's various other little things, Yoda's death for example was more emotional having the PT in the back of my mind. It's very interesting with Yoda actually, if you view the OT alone he's this kind of quirky old wizard, but going from the PT to the OT he suddenly becomes a tragic character. When he tells Luke not to underestimate the Emperor, we recall his (and the Jedi order's) own failure in letting this evil grow and then unsuccessfully attempting to remedy it at last minute.

In the past I used to feel like ROTJ was maybe a bit too lighthearted, almost sugar-coated with its sweetness, humor and perfect ending, but now... they earned it, dammit, they earned it.

"No more training do you require. Already know you, that which you need."

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

To me that is worst change Lucas ever made to the OT. That, Greedo shooting first/same time, and the horrible CGI Jabba.

The single worst change in the OT is the Jabba palace dance sequence in Jedi IMO.

[fat_rancor_keeper]

The original song was fine and really the entire original scene was fine.

Less is more. An alternative would have been maybe to just throw in a few scenes here and there of CGI aliens in the background or just tweak Sy Snootles with some subtle CGI. They just went way overboard and now its ridiculous and out of place. At least you can ague the new krayt call, Greedo shooting, the added 'no's are all really quick moments. But the Jabba scene drags on & on.

20 years later the whole things still feels wrong.

[steel_breeze]

At least the horrible "Jedi Rocks" nonsense in Jabba's Palace is the easiest skip in the saga. Just press the "next chapter" button on your remote after Jabba says "Play that one again" and BLAM, they're suddenly interrupted by an explosion, followed by Chewbacca being brought in. Who cares if we don't establish the rancor eating the slave girl? I don't miss it, and I'm certainly never going to sit through "Jedi Rocks", or whatever its called.

[balthazar_bee]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

When I watch The Phantom Menace it takes me about 30-40 minutes because I skip past all of the needless fluff. The same goes for Attack of the Clones.

What the hell remains?

EDIT: I meant, once you cut the fluff, you don't have much left.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by balthazar_bee

What the hell remains?

What do you mean exactly?

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by balthazar_bee

What the hell remains?

Obi-Wan's investigation, Anakin and Padme on Tattooine, and basically the entirely of Geonosis through to the end.

At least that would be for me. The rest of the movie, I can happily do without. (Not that I hate it, but that one has aged to worst of the PT in many ways.)

[balthazar_bee]

Hmm...yeah, I suppose I like Obi-Wan investigating Kimino...maybe the Coruscant chase.

I don't like to skip parts of movies, generally, but AOTC is definitely an exception. I'm good with The Phantom Menace at its full length, although I'd be even better if it were the theatrical version.