Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[LeeFanatic007]

Really only the new Palpatine scene is something I'd keep just as the old one doesn't fit if watching them in episode order.

The best thing they could do that would sell a lot of copies would be a release including the original theatrical cuts, the 1997 special editions, the 2004 DVD cuts and the 2010 Blu-ray cuts as each of these have some different things in them.

And throw in all the documentaries they can (everything on the BD set, and include Empire of Dreams please, as that was one of the best docs on the OT)

Maybe go all out and release the two live action Ewok movies on Blu-ray, maybe upgrade the Gennedy Tartakovsky Clone Wars series to Blu. Release the complete Droids and Ewoks cartoon shows rather than the spliced together movie things they've released in the past. Even dare I say throw in the Holiday Special somewhere as a bonus feature in clear SD, as the bootlegs are of such terrible quality.

I know they wont release all this stuff, but it's the 40th Anniversary and they really should go all out, this could be the last chance for some of this stuff to hit Blu as we have no idea how physical media will be come 2027.

[HeavyHitter]

We know Reliance owns something of the OT in 4K.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by LeeFanatic007

Really only the new Palpatine scene is something I'd keep just as the old one doesn't fit if watching them in episode order.

It doesn't work for me...Vader is going on in Empire about finding Skywalker, then he gets FaceTimed by Palpatine, and plays dumb about Skywalker's existence. "How is that possible?"

Yuck. Palpatine isn't Jar-Jar, he's not stupid. I don't mind changing ChimpFace for Ian, but the new dialog doesn't work for me.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by TheHutt

Fox still owns ANH.

[Riddler95]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

We know Reliance owns something of the OT in 4K.

Reliance never did confirm which version of the Original Trilogy was restored in 4K.

[stvn1974]

It would be funny if Fox did decline to put out the first film. Disney has a big box set ready to go and they just say "nah".

[Falaskan]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Why bring politics into this?


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[The Dark Shape]

Originally Posted by Mighty Max

Distribution rights, not the movie itself

Fox owns all of A NEW HOPE. Lucas sold them all of his rights to the first movie when he needed more money to finish THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK after Gary Kurtz screwed up.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by The Dark Shape

Fox owns all of A NEW HOPE. Lucas sold them all of his rights to the first movie when he needed more money to finish THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK after Gary Kurtz screwed up.

Fox already owned Star Wars in 1980, LucasFilm self-financed Empire and Jedi. Lucas got the copyright to Star Wars away from 20th Century when he agreed to a 20-year deal to allow them to distribute the prequels in 1999. All Fox has now is that distribution agreement which expires in 2019, and distribution rights to the original in perpetuity (until LucasFilm buys that out, too), and the only thing that means is that Fox has to release Star Wars whenever LucasFilm tells them to, and Fox gets paid for distributing it. We've been through this.

[Scarface32]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Fox already owned Star Wars in 1980, LucasFilm self-financed Empire and Jedi. Lucas got the copyright to Star Wars away from 20th Century when he agreed to a 20-year deal to allow them to distribute the prequels in 1999. All Fox has now is that distribution agreement which expires in 2019, and distribution rights to the original in perpetuity (until LucasFilm buys that out, too), and the only thing that means is that Fox has to release Star Wars whenever LucasFilm tells them to, and Fox gets paid for distributing it. We've been through this.

If Fox has distribution rights to the prequels until 2019, then how come DisneyMoviesAnywhere can distribute the digital versions? The only movie they do not distribute digitally is A New Hope.

[disneywildcat]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Fox already owned Star Wars in 1980, LucasFilm self-financed Empire and Jedi. Lucas got the copyright to Star Wars away from 20th Century when he agreed to a 20-year deal to allow them to distribute the prequels in 1999. All Fox has now is that distribution agreement which expires in 2019, and distribution rights to the original in perpetuity (until LucasFilm buys that out, too), and the only thing that means is that Fox has to release Star Wars whenever LucasFilm tells them to, and Fox gets paid for distributing it. We've been through this.

Originally Posted by Scarface32

If Fox has distribution rights to the prequels until 2019, then how come DisneyMoviesAnywhere can distribute the digital versions? The only movie they do not distribute digitally is A New Hope.

All Star Wars movies after the original (A New Hope) were self financed by Lucasfilm, which had retained the digital and television rights to its self financed films. The current theatrical and home video distribution deal with Fox (thru 2020) covers both the pre Disney sequels and prequels, as noted in Disney's recent SEC filings.


https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/d...016_q4x10k.htm

Prior to the Company’s acquisition of Lucasfilm, Lucasfilm produced six Star Wars films (Episodes 1 through 6). Lucasfilm retained the rights to consumer products related to all of those films and the rights related to television and electronic distribution formats for all of those films, with the exception of the rights for Episode 4, which are owned by a third-party studio. All of those films are distributed by a third-party studio in the theatrical and home entertainment markets. The theatrical and home entertainment distribution rights for these films revert back to Lucasfilm in May 2020 with the exception of Episode 4, for which these distribution rights are retained in perpetuity by the third-party studio.

[motorheadache95]

Originally Posted by LeeFanatic007

Really only the new Palpatine scene is something I'd keep just as the old one doesn't fit if watching them in episode order.

The best thing they could do that would sell a lot of copies would be a release including the original theatrical cuts, the 1997 special editions, the 2004 DVD cuts and the 2010 Blu-ray cuts as each of these have some different things in them.

And throw in all the documentaries they can (everything on the BD set, and include Empire of Dreams please, as that was one of the best docs on the OT)

Yeah another reason I watch the "Lucas Saga" editions (aka the Blu-Rays) with the prequel trilogy is the original Palpatine scene in Empire REALLY doesn't work in the context of the other films. In the original trilogy by itself, it never bothered me that much, but if you're following up Palpatine's story in the prequel trilogy, you really need Ian McDiarmid there.

As for the new set, I'd be fine with just the original cuts (props if they offered the different audio options for A New Hope), but I'd take the 1997 Special Editions as a bonus, as I think they're unique enough on their own to merit a restored release as historical curiosities if nothing else.

Less interested in the inclusion of the 2004 versions, though, because I think they're close enough to what we already have on the current Blu-Ray set. Unless they went as far as to retain the darker color-scheme and the odd sound-mixing, but honestly who really wants to revisit them that way for any reason? Plus there's not much that can be done ' to the 04 versions onward since they were created entirely digitally with the current outdated Lowry scans.

[Class316]

Personally I think it should be original theatrical and a "final cut" so to speak. Better than dealing with all other garbage.

[bobbyh64]

Just going back to The Godfather for a minute, I was shocked to find out that the horse's head was real. I find this pretty sick even though the horse was going to be slaughtered anyway because the idea of a guy going down to a slaughterhouse to pick out a horse that looked like the one used in the film and whose head would be severed and delivered in an ice box just seems ****ed up in my opinion.

[Martoto]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

..the idea of a guy going down to a slaughterhouse to pick out a horse that looked like the one used in the film and whose head would be severed and delivered in an ice box just seems ****ed up in my opinion....

It's no more f ed up than what would have happened to that horse anyway.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by stvn1974

It would be funny if Fox did decline to put out the first film. Disney has a big box set ready to go and they just say "nah".

They can't block what the content owners want them to release, otherwise they'd be in breach of their distribution contract. LFL (and by proxy, Disney) owns Star Wars. Fox distribute it for them, as they currently do for all of the pre-buyout movies until 2020, and it's up to them to fulfil the wishes of the content providers, NOTHING more.

This is what people just don't understand, and seemingly never will judging by the posts that keep popping up again and again and again just because they read it on some ill-informed blog.

[edit] Sure, the issue of a unified boxset becomes a teensy bit tricker after 2020 as Disney's home video arm will need to licence Ep IV from Fox, but if people think Fox will put a spanner in the works then they're badly underestimating the lure of free money (that's if Disney haven't already made them an offer they can't refuse for the distribution rights). Remember kids: LFL/Disney are ALREADY WORKING WITH FOX under the existing terms of the distribution deal...

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by motorheadache95

Yeah another reason I watch the "Lucas Saga" editions (aka the Blu-Rays) with the prequel trilogy is the original Palpatine scene in Empire REALLY doesn't work in the context of the other films. In the original trilogy by itself, it never bothered me that much, but if you're following up Palpatine's story in the prequel trilogy, you really need Ian McDiarmid there.

As for the new set, I'd be fine with just the original cuts (props if they offered the different audio options for A New Hope), but I'd take the 1997 Special Editions as a bonus, as I think they're unique enough on their own to merit a restored release as historical curiosities if nothing else.

Less interested in the inclusion of the 2004 versions, though, because I think they're close enough to what we already have on the current Blu-Ray set. Unless they went as far as to retain the darker color-scheme and the odd sound-mixing, but honestly who really wants to revisit them that way for any reason? Plus there's not much that can be done ' to the 04 versions onward since they were created entirely digitally with the current outdated Lowry scans.

I disagree regarding the 2004 editions, I'd love to see them retained as the Blu-ray changes do nothing but distract me. Seeing as the '97/'04/'11 cuts are more closely related than the original is to the SE, I still say they could branch those three and put the original on a separate disc. Sound mixes become an issue with all of those three on one disc, especially Ep IV which has a different mix for each SE version, but given how the '04 mix was clearly deficient (which LFL essentially admitted to with the revised Blu mix) I wouldn't mind at all if it was sweetened using the '11 mix as its base.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Martoto

It's no more f ed up than what would have happened to that horse anyway.

Yes horse-slaughtering is ****ed up but I read that Coppola refused to use a fake horse head and had someone go pick a real one out. So I interpret that as him being glad a horse was going to be slaughtered so he could use its head. I also think it's ****ed up that he filmed a cow being slaughtered in Apocalypse Now. Sure in the end it's the same because the cow would be dead anyway, but it just seems gross to me to film stuff like that.

I guess someone could argue that you see hamburgers in movies and they're from dead cows. But seeing the slaughtering filmed or severed heads of animals gives me a sick feeling. I would feel the same way if a severed dog's head was in a movie just because it was going to be euthanized.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

Yes horse-slaughtering is ****ed up but I read that Coppola refused to use a fake horse head and had someone go pick a real one out. So I interpret that as him being glad a horse was going to be slaughtered so he could use its head. I also think it's ****ed up that he filmed a cow being slaughtered in Apocalypse Now. Sure in the end it's the same because the cow would be dead anyway, but it just seems gross to me to film stuff like that.

I guess someone could argue that you see hamburgers in movies and they're from dead cows. But seeing the slaughtering filmed or severed heads of animals gives me a sick feeling. I would feel the same way if a severed dog's head was in a movie just because it was going to be euthanized.

My father and mother were both born and raised on farms in Central Texas, in the late 40's after the war, so they're no stranger to harvesting animals...my dad *hates* that scene in Apocalypse Now. Finds it disgusting to take a life, especially in the manner shown, just to make a visual metaphor.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Falaskan

Why bring politics into this?

Politics?