Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[imsounoriginal]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

You're making it sound like Lucas's reason for not directing the sequels is because he knew he couldn't top Star Wars. I don't think that's accurate. Doesn't Lucas like Return of the Jedi more than the first two? I remember him saying it was closer to his vision than the first two movies were. Anyway, he seemed more concerned with making Star Wars toys than directing. I think that's the reason he didn't direct the sequels.

He had to focus on the production side of things and building Lucasfilm, in a nutshell. There are those who say he basically ghost-directed RotJ, though.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

Wait - you think that the arm and the leg are the "most painful spot{s} to maximize damage" on a human body? Not the chest, abdomen, neck, or head?

And you think Chewie's shot was random?

Fascinating...

Uh except that is not what he said.

Putting a deep wound in a leg will floor someone. The point is that a sith can do it with precision even if it is a quick cauterize.

I guess you have never heard of people being taken down because of a leg injury.

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

You're making it sound like Lucas's reason for not directing the sequels is because he knew he couldn't top Star Wars. I don't think that's accurate. Doesn't Lucas like Return of the Jedi more than the first two? I remember him saying it was closer to his vision than the first two movies were. Anyway, he seemed more concerned with making Star Wars toys than directing. I think that's the reason he didn't direct the sequels.

Not from what I read. Lucas reasons were a large part because he was annoyed by the studio pressures. Wouldn't be the first to succumb to that.

Originally Posted by octagon

The helmet is clearly at least in part an affectation. The fact that the helmet is part of a persona he's adopted is the point.

And no, it wasn't annoying.

Or part of his cry baby spoiled persona. Wearing a helmet because you have to and having your voice chance because of a breathing device is miles apart from taking it off and on. When he took of that helmet all I thought was DUDE, that is Vinny Barbarino! And this is supposed to be a sith lord?

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by fontcow

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I would almost bet money they add some line like "I was wounded last time we fought, girl!" to their next confrontation, to make things more clear for silly nit-pickers.

[ElvisForever]

As an aside. I was thinking of Princess Leia and reason number 140 why I don't like Empire as much as Star Wars. In the first film she often is a smart ass, for good reason. They are busting her out with no clear plan. They were worth criticizing and more so, she basically has to make crucial decisions.

In Empire, all she does is whine, and worse yet, she even has the nerve to say that Han doesn't have many moments? Maybe this is supposed to be sarcastic, but even if it is, well I don't think of that being clever either.

Han basically does everything and she just isn't pleased.

Both characters are a stark contrast to what they were in Star Wars.

Sorry if this seems so emotional to some people. Just an observation.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Or part of his cry baby spoiled persona. Wearing a helmet because you have to and having your voice chance because of a breathing device is miles apart from taking it off and on.

There's no 'or' about it. As things stand right now he's just a Vader wannabe and the helmet is an affectation he's adopted in emulating Vader.

That's the whole point of the helmet.

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

When he took of that helmet all I thought was DUDE, that is Vinny Barbarino! And this is supposed to be a sith lord?

Well, I doubt they were going for Vinny Barbarino specifically but I suspect we were all meant to be a bit underwhelmed when the man behind the mask turned out to be a conflicted kid.

Well, somewhat conflicted, anyway.

I suspect that character was very much meant to be a work in progress and not a fully formed Movie Bad Guy.

And for me at least, that pretty much worked.

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by octagon

There's no 'or' about it. As things stand right now he's just a Vader wannabe and the helmet is an affectation he's adopted in emulating Vader.

That's the whole point of the helmet.



Well, I doubt they were going for Vinny Barbarino specifically but I suspect we were all meant to be a bit underwhelmed when the man behind the mask turned out to be a conflicted kid.

Well, somewhat conflicted, anyway.

I suspect that character was very much meant to be a work in progress and not a fully formed Movie Bad Guy.

And for me at least, that pretty much worked.

Your points are well taken. I actually agree with you.

I like the Force Awakens, I just have to wade through the hyperbole waters to get to reasonable talk.

I am looking forward to what is in store. Hey and there is nothing wrong with a Vinnie gone bad. Heck, in my world, Vinnie became Vincent Vega!

[Mighty Max]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Not to mention they can't show gory open wounds in a PG film. Obi-Wan's arm and leg were probably slashed pretty deep, cutting into the muscles that allow you to move. You can't really show that.

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

The insert of the bloody severed arm in the Cantina was added in post to prevent Star Wars from receiving a G rating. Not arguing, just sharing.

Different eras, different standards...

[Mighty Max]

I know the real reason the Kylo wears that helmet...
He was born so damned ugly! Also, he has Dumbo ears...
When he took off that helmet, near about everyone in the audience laughed so hard...

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Star Wars is the better film in a hundred different ways, but alas it is all just opinion.

I'm replying to this one sentence you said in a post. You are entitled to your opinion (I might even agree, although I think I like Star Wars and Empire equally), but some of your reasons seem ridiculous to me.

One of the reasons you listed in a previous post for why Star Wars is better than Empire is that Princess Leia is way hotter. I don't understand this. She's the same person. Looks the same to me in all the movies. I guess you like her hair buns? But I don't see how that makes the film better.

Another reason you gave is that Leia was wearing pants in Empire, and that's too PC in your opinion. So she should be running around in a gown instead? Either way, I don't see how this has anything to do with how good the movie is. You said you could give 100 reasons why Star Wars is better than Empire, but I'm pretty sure the majority of your reasons would sound completely ridiculous to most people.

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Uh except that is not what he said.

Sure it is. It's in the quote.

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Putting a deep wound in a leg will floor someone. The point is that a sith can do it with precision even if it is a quick cauterize.

I guess you have never heard of people being taken down because of a leg injury.

It helps if you pay attention before jumping in. The argument isn't whether or not a deep leg wound will floor someone, nor is it whether or not people have been taken down because of a leg injury.

The argument is whether or not an arm or leg would be considered "exactly the most painful spot to maximize damage." How was that not clear, genesim?

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by Mighty Max

I know the real reason the Kylo wears that helmet...
He was born so damned ugly! Also, he has Dumbo ears...
When he took off that helmet, near about everyone in the audience laughed so hard...

You realize that you're also insulting the actor, right? Because that's how Adam Driver looks in real life. If he heard you say that, he would probably beat you up hard. He is a former U.S. Marine, after all.

[fontcow]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Not to mention they can't show gory open wounds in a PG film. Obi-Wan's arm and leg were probably slashed pretty deep, cutting into the muscles that allow you to move. You can't really show that.

If it was important to convey to the audience how slashed Obi-wan was, then why didn't they show it? PG over PG-13 couldn't have been that important seeing as though Revenge of the Sith was PG-13.

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Immolation is way worse than an open wound to the arm and leg.

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Vader gets mad, you get choked out. Kylo gets mad, you have to call tech support!

Tell that to Lor San Tekka.

[dsman71]

RIP Debbie Reynolds

[Hardback247]

Originally Posted by dsman71

RIP Debbie Reynolds

Broken heart?

[ElvisForever]

Originally Posted by WhySoBlu?

Sure it is. It's in the quote.

It helps if you pay attention before jumping in. The argument isn't whether or not a deep leg wound will floor someone, nor is it whether or not people have been taken down because of a leg injury.

The argument is whether or not an arm or leg would be considered "exactly the most painful spot to maximize damage." How was that not clear, genesim?

Again you have missed the concept. It wasn't whether a leg wound in and of itself is what is the most damage, it is the act of a Sith knowing exactly where to inflict the damage based upon a higher skill set and understanding the enemy far more than the average person. Lets hope after three times going through you get it now.

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

I'm replying to this one sentence you said in a post. You are entitled to your opinion (I might even agree, although I think I like Star Wars and Empire equally), but some of your reasons seem ridiculous to me.

One of the reasons you listed in a previous post for why Star Wars is better than Empire is that Princess Leia is way hotter. I don't understand this. She's the same person. Looks the same to me in all the movies. I guess you like her hair buns? But I don't see how that makes the film better.

Another reason you gave is that Leia was wearing pants in Empire, and that's too PC in your opinion. So she should be running around in a gown instead? Either way, I don't see how this has anything to do with how good the movie is. You said you could give 100 reasons why Star Wars is better than Empire, but I'm pretty sure the majority of your reasons would sound completely ridiculous to most people.

Why is it ridiculous to prefer a feminine woman look better? What is wrong with a gown, or a dress?

You really think she looks better in Return where she basically looks like a skeleton with a drug problem which she has admitted? I wasn't just commenting on the princess' clothes.

I prefer a princess that looks like more feminine and the point about her character qualities are just that.

So you state "majority" of my reasons are "ridiculous". I notice you latched onto a couple of things you disagree with while disregarding the rest. My Leia reasons with looks were tongue in cheek (though reasons nonetheless). The movie can also be based upon a character that is more in line. That can also equate to looks. You apparently don't think this is possible. Ok, each to his own. But looks are a very important part of character study and that goes pretty far when you think of how a character is portrayed in a sequel where consistency is very important.

Do you put my reasoning about better original story and better music in that category? How about commenting on anything else instead of taking it to a personal level.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by dsman71

RIP Debbie Reynolds

To anyone (and there have been MANY) who says it's not possible to "lose the will to live" a la Padme, I give you Debbie Reynolds.

However, it also proves that it's entirely messed up for a woman to "lose the will to live" right after she gives birth to twins but that's an entirely different argument.

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Again you have missed the concept. It wasn't whether a leg wound in and of itself is what is the most damage, it is the act of a Sith knowing exactly where to inflict the damage based upon a higher skill set and understanding the enemy far more than the average person.

Except that's not what I responded to. I'm not going to keep repeating myself because you can't be bothered to pay attention. Sorry, but you'll have to play these little games with someone else.

Originally Posted by ElvisForever

Lets hope after three times going through you get it now.

By all means, keep on herping that derp, genesim.

[WhySoBlu?]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

To anyone (and there have been MANY) who says it's not possible to "lose the will to live" a la Padme, I give you Debbie Reynolds.

However, it also proves that it's entirely messed up for a woman to "lose the will to live" right after she gives birth to twins but that's an entirely different argument.

Please. She had a stroke due to the stress of losing her daughter. There's zero evidence of her losing the will to live. Let's not sully this woman's death by trying to use it to justify lazy writing.

[WestMan]

Debbie Reynolds, Carrie Fisher's mom, has died.

Life imitating art...

In Star Wars, Leia's mom (Padme) loses the will to live after Leia is born.

In real life, Carrie's mom loses the will to live after Carrie dies.

Super sad for the family.

[bobbyh64]

R.I.P. Debibie Reynolds, mother of Carrie Fisher.