Power Conditioner for Sub - Blu-ray Forum

Dust · 01-28-2009, 06:05 AM

I have a Monster Reference Power Conditioner 3500 Mk II and am sold on the benefits of a power conditioner. However, now that my sub has moved and can't be plugged into my current conditioner, I'm looking for a power conditioner just for my sub.

I'm wondering if anyone has some suggestions of a power conditioner that would work well for just my sub. The sub will be the only component plugged into the conditioner. I'm also wondering since the sub will be the only thing plugged into that specific electrical outlet, do I really need a power conditioner, or just a simple surge protector.

Thanks for any input,

Dustin

Opips2 · 01-28-2009, 06:15 AM

good question,

why not... buy a longest cord power??

Dust · 01-28-2009, 06:30 AM

Longer power cord really won't work (don't want the power cord, surround cable, and sub cable running along the walls and in front of the fireplace)... WAF issue...

Big Daddy · 01-28-2009, 06:47 AM

Some power amplifiers have built-in power conditioners and the manufactures recommend that you plug them directly into the wall outlet. Chances are that subwoofer amplifiers do not have this feature.

As a general rule, the better the quality of the power conditioner or the surge protector, the safer your subwoofer will be. This is the response that Velodyne gave to the same question.

Quote:

Q: Is it necessary to use a surge protector with my Velodyne subwoofer?

A: It is a good idea to use a surge protector with any sensitive electronics, including your powered subwoofer, especially in areas with stormy weather conditions. When using a surge protector with some of the more powerful Velodyne subwoofers, be certain the surge protector has adequate voltage and passes at least 10 amps.

http://www.velodyne.com/tech/faqansw...4&sid=387y725u

gonzo nixon · 01-28-2009, 08:46 AM

Monster, and some others, sell conditioners that replace the actual outlet. Solves the problem of where to locate the conditioner etc. and provides the clean look the wife wants. Probably needs to be installed by an electrician though,if cost may is a factor.
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_119MPIW...er.html?tp=568

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_119MPSW...00.html?tp=568

scweb13 · 01-28-2009, 02:37 PM

Panamax M-2 Subwoofer Surge Protector at Amazon

Amazon also has the Monster SW 200, but it looks like it's cheaper at Crutchfield. I bought a SW 200 from Amazon last year for $25.

ALLIANCE68 · 01-28-2009, 03:56 PM

Looked at your pics, nice. Why did you move your sub, it was in a very good spot? I would go with a surge protector a conditioner is not needed. The plug you are going to use now is it on the same circuit? If not you might get ground loop hum and need to buy an isolator.

Dust · 01-28-2009, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALLIANCE68

Looked at your pics, nice. Why did you move your sub, it was in a very good spot? I would go with a surge protector a conditioner is not needed. The plug you are going to use now is it on the same circuit? If not you might get ground loop hum and need to buy an isolator.

I need to update my HT pics. I replaced that sub with the SVS PB13-Ultra and it is quite a bit bigger. Currently I have no ground loop hum.

ALLIANCE68 · 01-28-2009, 05:49 PM

Saw your sub pics, are you sure it is not the new coffee table LOL. Can you not move the cabinet over and swap sides to keep the sub away from the heat, also how are you running the sub wires other than the power cord?

Dust · 01-28-2009, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALLIANCE68

Saw your sub pics, are you sure it is not the new coffee table LOL. Can you not move the cabinet over and swap sides to keep the sub away from the heat, also how are you running the sub wires other than the power cord?

Wife doesn't want sub in front because when all is said and done, it is deeper than the entrainment center. She said the sub can go where it is, or back on the truck to SVS.

Currently the sub and surround cables run along the wall on the floor, around the fireplace to the components. I would run them through the ceiling/walls, but there is no way to do that with my vaulted ceilings. I may re-run wires one day when I'm willing to pay for lots of drywall repair. Perhaps when the Mrs. wants to repaint....

ALLIANCE68 · 01-28-2009, 08:14 PM

Do you have access to the floor from downstairs or is it all finished? From your pics you might be able to run all your wires out a small hole behind the cabinet down stairs and come up by the window/wall or small hole/wallplates and run the cables through and under the fire place to neaten it up a bit or look at buying a wireless system to run your existing surround speakers. If you are not getting any hum being at a different plug a surge protector is fine, also a sub that nice probably has an isolator built in.

-DLS- · 01-28-2009, 11:39 PM

I read this on a review for an APC H15 Power Conditioner.

"The only issue I had with the H15 was its interaction with a subwoofer. Some amps are designed such that they will fool the H15 into thinking that it is in a low voltage situation. The H15 will naturally boost the voltage to accommodate. This can blow the fuses on the sub amps which have very tight operational tolerances (provided they have them). I had this happen twice before I discerned it was the H15/sub interaction. From the standpoint of blame - it's hard to find a culprit. The amp is doing what it is supposed to be doing and the H15 is doing its job. My suggestion is to connect the H15 to a subwoofer with caution. Under normal circumstances this shouldn’t be an issue, but if you find a similar experience when you plug your subwoofer into this unit, disconnect it and plug it into a standard surge protector (APC makes plenty of these as well). I would like to note that I had a number of receivers plugged into the H15 without a problem so my issue may be isolated specifically to the subwoofer I was using in this review."

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/p...and-conclusion

Other power conditioners would maybe act the same way. I plugged my sub to a surge protector by itself. My other stuff will be going into the APC that I just ordered (for a great price - $149 on audioholics.com).

Dust · 01-29-2009, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALLIANCE68

Do you have access to the floor from downstairs or is it all finished? From your pics you might be able to run all your wires out a small hole behind the cabinet down stairs and come up by the window/wall or small hole/wallplates and run the cables through and under the fire place to neaten it up a bit or look at buying a wireless system to run your existing surround speakers. If you are not getting any hum being at a different plug a surge protector is fine, also a sub that nice probably has an isolator built in.

I'm on a slab foundation, so no going under.

aramis109 · 01-29-2009, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLS_222

I read this on a review for an APC H15 Power Conditioner.

"The only issue I had with the H15 was its interaction with a subwoofer. Some amps are designed such that they will fool the H15 into thinking that it is in a low voltage situation. The H15 will naturally boost the voltage to accommodate. This can blow the fuses on the sub amps which have very tight operational tolerances (provided they have them). I had this happen twice before I discerned it was the H15/sub interaction. From the standpoint of blame - it's hard to find a culprit. The amp is doing what it is supposed to be doing and the H15 is doing its job. My suggestion is to connect the H15 to a subwoofer with caution. Under normal circumstances this shouldn’t be an issue, but if you find a similar experience when you plug your subwoofer into this unit, disconnect it and plug it into a standard surge protector (APC makes plenty of these as well). I would like to note that I had a number of receivers plugged into the H15 without a problem so my issue may be isolated specifically to the subwoofer I was using in this review."

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/p...and-conclusion

Other power conditioners would maybe act the same way. I plugged my sub to a surge protector by itself. My other stuff will be going into the APC that I just ordered (for a great price - $149 on audioholics.com).

I have my sub plugged into my H10 (same model, no LCD screen) and have had no issues with it trimming the line.

-DLS- · 01-31-2009, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aramis109

I have my sub plugged into my H10 (same model, no LCD screen) and have had no issues with it trimming the line.

Yeah that article said depending on the sub - and maybe some amps too so I'm still not sure If I'll plug the XPA-3 into the H15 or not since emotiva doesn't recommend it. I might just plug it into the same surge protector as my sub.

I just thought I'd post that statement about the sub in case something like that should happen, then someone can troubleshoot that first if it is plugged into a power conditioner.

Twitch9 · 01-31-2009, 01:18 AM

Just wanted to say that there is a different option for people looking to buy a power conditioner, you can actually purchase a power conditioner and surge protecter for your main power coming into your house, it hooks up before your main panel and protects the whole house and not just one plug, i believe you can get this for around $500 before installation, you will need an electrician to do this install but why not protect your entire home instead of just your Home theatre. I think the protection value is around $500,000.

Dagger · 01-31-2009, 01:49 AM

Check out the PS Audio Duet. Relatively small footprint. Retails for $299, but I'm sure you can find it cheaper. As the name implies, there's only two sockets.

01-28-2009, 06:05 AM	#1
Dust Member Member since:Dec 2007 Home Theater Gallery:8 Blu-ray collection:213	Power Conditioner for Sub I have a Monster Reference Power Conditioner 3500 Mk II and am sold on the benefits of a power conditioner. However, now that my sub has moved and can't be plugged into my current conditioner, I'm looking for a power conditioner just for my sub. I'm wondering if anyone has some suggestions of a power conditioner that would work well for just my sub. The sub will be the only component plugged into the conditioner. I'm also wondering since the sub will be the only thing plugged into that specific electrical outlet, do I really need a power conditioner, or just a simple surge protector. Thanks for any input, Dustin

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01-28-2009, 06:15 AM	#2
Opips2 Special Member Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Edmonton, AB Home Theater Gallery:6 Blu-ray collection:175 Blu-ray reviews:10 Trading Score:1	good question, why not... buy a longest cord power??

01-28-2009, 06:30 AM	#3
Dust Member Member since:Dec 2007 Home Theater Gallery:8 Blu-ray collection:213	Longer power cord really won't work (don't want the power cord, surround cable, and sub cable running along the walls and in front of the fireplace)... WAF issue...

01-28-2009, 08:46 AM	#5
gonzo nixon Member Member since:May 2008 4K collection:14 Blu-ray collection:21 DVD collection:4	Monster, and some others, sell conditioners that replace the actual outlet. Solves the problem of where to locate the conditioner etc. and provides the clean look the wife wants. Probably needs to be installed by an electrician though,if cost may is a factor. http://www.crutchfield.com/p_119MPIW...er.html?tp=568 http://www.crutchfield.com/p_119MPSW...00.html?tp=568

01-28-2009, 02:37 PM	#6
scweb13 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Everett, WA 4K collection:1 Blu-ray collection:512 DVD collection:29 Trading Score:4	Panamax M-2 Subwoofer Surge Protector at Amazon Amazon also has the Monster SW 200, but it looks like it's cheaper at Crutchfield. I bought a SW 200 from Amazon last year for $25.

01-28-2009, 03:56 PM	#7
ALLIANCE68 Member Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Calgary, AB	Looked at your pics, nice. Why did you move your sub, it was in a very good spot? I would go with a surge protector a conditioner is not needed. The plug you are going to use now is it on the same circuit? If not you might get ground loop hum and need to buy an isolator.

01-28-2009, 05:49 PM	#9
ALLIANCE68 Member Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Calgary, AB	Saw your sub pics, are you sure it is not the new coffee table LOL. Can you not move the cabinet over and swap sides to keep the sub away from the heat, also how are you running the sub wires other than the power cord?

01-28-2009, 08:14 PM	#11
ALLIANCE68 Member Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Calgary, AB	Do you have access to the floor from downstairs or is it all finished? From your pics you might be able to run all your wires out a small hole behind the cabinet down stairs and come up by the window/wall or small hole/wallplates and run the cables through and under the fire place to neaten it up a bit or look at buying a wireless system to run your existing surround speakers. If you are not getting any hum being at a different plug a surge protector is fine, also a sub that nice probably has an isolator built in.

01-28-2009, 11:39 PM	#12
-DLS- Special Member Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Apr 2008 Location:CANADA Home Theater Gallery:28 Blu-ray collection:-	I read this on a review for an APC H15 Power Conditioner. "The only issue I had with the H15 was its interaction with a subwoofer. Some amps are designed such that they will fool the H15 into thinking that it is in a low voltage situation. The H15 will naturally boost the voltage to accommodate. This can blow the fuses on the sub amps which have very tight operational tolerances (provided they have them). I had this happen twice before I discerned it was the H15/sub interaction. From the standpoint of blame - it's hard to find a culprit. The amp is doing what it is supposed to be doing and the H15 is doing its job. My suggestion is to connect the H15 to a subwoofer with caution. Under normal circumstances this shouldn’t be an issue, but if you find a similar experience when you plug your subwoofer into this unit, disconnect it and plug it into a standard surge protector (APC makes plenty of these as well). I would like to note that I had a number of receivers plugged into the H15 without a problem so my issue may be isolated specifically to the subwoofer I was using in this review." http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/p...and-conclusion Other power conditioners would maybe act the same way. I plugged my sub to a surge protector by itself. My other stuff will be going into the APC that I just ordered (for a great price - $149 on audioholics.com).

01-31-2009, 01:18 AM	#16
Twitch9 Expert Member Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Canada Home Theater Gallery:83 Blu-ray collection:49 Blu-ray reviews:16 Trading Score:2	Just wanted to say that there is a different option for people looking to buy a power conditioner, you can actually purchase a power conditioner and surge protecter for your main power coming into your house, it hooks up before your main panel and protects the whole house and not just one plug, i believe you can get this for around $500 before installation, you will need an electrician to do this install but why not protect your entire home instead of just your Home theatre. I think the protection value is around $500,000.

01-31-2009, 01:49 AM	#17
Dagger Active Member Member since:Sep 2007	Check out the PS Audio Duet. Relatively small footprint. Retails for $299, but I'm sure you can find it cheaper. As the name implies, there's only two sockets.

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