HBO's "Game Of Thrones" Discussion (2011-2019)

[Batman90]

Game of Thrones spinoff cancelled. https://www.gamespot.com/articles/a-.../1100-6466519/

[cappyj]

Anybody have issues with volume levels on last night's episode (I watched it through HBO go on ATV 4k)? I had to crank my MV up +12db, to a level I've never had to put it to.

It was very bizarre. I tried exiting, turning AVR off/on, etc to see if something else was causing.

[Batman90]

Originally Posted by ban768

People complaining that Arya got the kill don't seem to realize just how important she truly is to the story considering she is in the title of the book series A Song of Ice and Fire. One of the meanings of the name Arya or Aria is Music, Song, or Melody. She is the song. Jon is the Ice and Dany is Fire.

So Jon still should have gotten the kill. What was the whole point of him coming back to life?

[Batman90]

Originally Posted by Bigdog

I don't get Bran's part in last nights wrap of the night king, I thought he would of been a big part of taking the night king down but he basically did nothing but sit around as bait the entire episode it seemed. His powers seemed pretty useless overall last night, maybe I missed something though.

Overall a good episode but could of been a bit better imo, the night king though was a big disappointment to me, I expected better with the years of buildup for him to only cower from fighting Jon and then getting punked and stuck by Arya.

The whole point of him sitting there was to bait the Night King in so he can be killed. Kind of like trapped in since no ones been able to get close to him up until that point.

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by Batman90

So Jon still should have gotten the kill. What was the whole point of him coming back to life?

We might never find out. The Red God magic, resurrection, Bran/Bloodraven, and the dead were presumably all supposed to be connected somehow. My guess is that the writers are dropping the ball, but I'm definitely hoping for some sort of "You thought it was over?" moment in the next 4 episodes.

[ban768]

Originally Posted by Batman90

So Jon still should have gotten the kill. What was the whole point of him coming back to life?

I personally would of liked Jon to be the one to defeat the Night King since he and Theon are my favorite characters, but I can understand why Arya was the one to do it.

[formula_nebula]

I loved last night's episode. It had suspense and scares. Loved the music in that episode. Was some of my favorite for the series. Also loved how we saw The Hound, and Grey Worm scared. Something we've never seen before.

[Batman90]

Originally Posted by ban768

I personally would of liked Jon to be the one to defeat the Night King since he and Theon are my favorite characters, but I can understand why Arya was the one to do it.

Why should she gotten the kill besides pleasing the PC crowed? Jon’s the one that’s been dealing with them since the beginning. He was already in 2 major battles with the whites. For a guy as bad as The Night King is supposed to be I would like to know why he was afraid to fight Jon. The war was even a waste cause his generals never even got in on the fight. The producers have gotten really lazy and they managed to kill all excitement for the last 3 episodes for me. I don’t ever seeing myself rewatching this series again or the spinoff. They’ve been lazy with this show since day one. They won’t put any money into the show and they act like they wouldn’t make it back if they did. I wouldn’t let anyone involved with this show touch a franchise like Star Wars. At best they would fit right in with Netflix.

[MechaGodzilla]

Overall, I liked the episode, but have to agree with some of the criticisms. As for the darkness, I don't think it's that on its own so much as piss-poor compression. Unbelivably ugly, smeary, blocky image, which in combination with being dark makes it hard to make anything out at times.

I also agree that the "plot armor" was too obvious at times. I had no expectations of who or how many should die, and sparing the characters that were spared doesn't bother me - it's more how and how unconvincing it was. Too many obvious situations where they should have no chance of survival, yet lived.

But all in all, I still dug it. Wonderfully tense at times, and I genuinely thought Arya might not succeed there at the end.

Originally Posted by cappyj

Anybody have issues with volume levels on last night's episode (I watched it through HBO go on ATV 4k)? I had to crank my MV up +12db, to a level I've never had to put it to.

It was very bizarre. I tried exiting, turning AVR off/on, etc to see if something else was causing.

I had this problem, too. Strangely low volume level, which wasn't an issue with the first two episodes of the season.

[DasRetroKid]

Originally Posted by cappyj

Anybody have issues with volume levels on last night's episode (I watched it through HBO go on ATV 4k)?

I did as well. Had to crank it up to -13 or so which I never have to do.

[LegacyCosts]

Cant wait to read about the episode being too dark for people for the rest of the week.

That night king theme is glorious.

[The Sovereign]

Originally Posted by Batman90

Why should she gotten the kill besides pleasing the PC crowed?

As a member of a crowd who's neither PC nor triggered by PC, I thought Arya made perfect sense to make the kill. She is revenge driven and has been training more than any character in the series - not to mention that Bran gave her the knife, and it was alluded to by Melisandre. If I have any quibbles, it’s about how she did it. But having it be her made perfect sense, regardless of gender.

[A Sith Lord?]

Originally Posted by Batman90

Why should she gotten the kill besides pleasing the PC crowed? Jon’s the one that’s been dealing with them since the beginning. He was already in 2 major battles with the whites. For a guy as bad as The Night King is supposed to be I would like to know why he was afraid to fight Jon. The war was even a waste cause his generals never even got in on the fight. The producers have gotten really lazy and they managed to kill all excitement for the last 3 episodes for me. I don’t ever seeing myself rewatching this series again or the spinoff. They’ve been lazy with this show since day one. They won’t put any money into the show and they act like they wouldn’t make it back if they did. I wouldn’t let anyone involved with this show touch a franchise like Star Wars. At best they would fit right in with Netflix.

Holy cow between this and the End Game thread you really just don't like any sort of strong female characters.

[NARMAK]

I think i understsnd the frustration of people having wanted more from a battle betwen the dead and living and how NK meets his end. I think what we got worked but wasn't amazing or as epic as it could have been. The dark of the scenes really took away a little something from the chaos of the fight and just made it more confusing to make out the action. I guess they felt it created more tension of where the dead were coming from or something.

I feel like stretching the battle out over more "phases" might have helped. Instead they had to cheap out on the Dothraki and wiped them all out in a frontal assault to literally things you could not see as a viewer. The lights going out i guess was a metaphor for hope disappearing from the living at the beginning when they felt optimism.

The sudden winter storm as well was stupid. It served only the purpose of causing further confusion as a viewer. It just came so suddenly and stupidly. I think they used that cheap tactic only once before but yeah, just made the final battle scenes a little boring. I f they had a proper scrap of living and dead, it would have definitely played better but maybe they were side stepping technical constraints or something.

Overall the episode delivered, but you always think what if a tweak here or there happened. As viewers, we paint our own stories of what we think should happen. Although i'm overall fine with what they did.

[Batman90]

Originally Posted by The Sovereign

As a member of a crowd who's neither PC nor triggered by PC, I thought Arya made perfect sense to make the kill. She is revenge driven and has been training more than any character in the series - not to mention that Bran gave her the knife, and it was alluded to by Melisandre. If I have any quibbles, it’s about how she did it. But having it be her made perfect sense, regardless of gender.

She’s been out for revenge against everyone at Kings Landing. She knew nothing about the Night King until she got back to Winterfell. Having her just get past his generals without them noticing her and getting past everyone that easy just make them all look weak. The Night King can Survive dragon fire but gets tricked by a 4 foot girl and looked like a fool during the process. He was able to trick Jon into coming north so he can get a dragon. Since it was the producers plan since season 3 to have her kill him they should have just kept Jon dead he really serves no propose now. She was running around the entire episode like a scared child but she’s not afraid of jumping at the Night King.

[jedilips]

Originally Posted by Batman90

She’s been out for revenge against everyone at Kings Landing. She knew nothing about the Night King until she got back to Winterfell. Having her just get past his generals without them noticing her and getting past everyone that easy just make them all look weak. The Night King can Survive dragon fire but gets tricked by a 4 foot girl and looked like a fool during the process. He was able to trick Jon into coming north so he can get a dragon. Since it was the producers plan since season 3 to have her kill him they should have just kept Jon dead he really serves no propose now.

Did you miss the whole entire season where she spent training to do exactly what she did in this episode?

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by A Sith Lord?

Holy cow between this and the End Game thread you really just don't like any sort of strong female characters.

The one good thing I’ll say was we got to see Arya scared something we really haven’t seen for awhile. Like in ep2 she’s like I can’t wait to meet them

We were promised a 10/10 battle and it was like 5/6 of 10 without some great moments between Sansa and Tyrion and hound and beric it really coulda been 3/4 out of 10 lol

[Batman90]

Originally Posted by jedilips

Did you miss the whole entire season where she spent training to do exactly what she did in this episode?

She wasn’t training to kill The Night King. If you are talking about this season she was just walking around and having sex with her boyfriend and have him make a weapon for her that she didn’t use.

[DukeTogo84]

Overall, I thought the episode was good, but there just seemed to be a few issues and there just felt like something was missing that I really can't explain.

Yes, it was too dark. Pretty much can't add much more to that. Sam's plot armor was horrible here. He's being swarmed by the undead and isn't really fighting and is just seen screaming, yet he somehow survives? Made absolutely no sense, and felt like I was watching something that wasn't Game of Thrones at that moment.

Loved the character moments and Theon's arc in the episode. Still, I think this was the only time in the show's history after a battle episode where I left feeling disappointed.

[Batman90]

Originally Posted by supersix4

The one good thing I’ll say was we got to see Arya scared something we really haven’t seen for awhile. Like in ep2 she’s like I can’t wait to meet them

We were promised a 10/10 battle and it was like 5/6 of 10 without some great moments between Sansa and Tyrion and hound and beric it really coulda been 3/4 out of 10 lol

More like a 3/10z Helms Deep is still 10/10.