Star Trek or Star Wars?

[drobswim13]

Star Wars for me, but only the original trilogy and TPM, because the other two just were not up to par for me in terms of character development and a reliance on too much special effects.

That being said, however, I will go see Star Trek and see how it matches up with some of the Star Wars movies in terms of character development and special effects usage.

[MCT]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Now I wish some of the books could be turn into movies, some amazing stories in these books. But let's keep in mind that the reason some of the stories are so great, it's because they are 400+ pages long and not shrink into a 2 hours movie.

true. I dont know about the books, but I think we all believe Knights of the Old Republic could easily be broken up into three movies and done properly. Video game movies always suck, but this would be an exception.

I think I would have a geekgasm if I ever had a chance to see Malak, the Ebon Hawk, Darth Revan, Bastilla , etc.. on the big screen

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by MCT

true. I dont know about the books, but I think we all believe Knights of the Old Republic could easily be broken up into three movies and done properly. Video game movies always suck, but this would be an exception.

I think I would have a geekgasm if I ever had a chance to see Malak, the Ebon Hawk, Darth Revan, Bastilla , etc.. on the big screen

That is one time period of Star Wars I wish was explore more, specialy in books but movies also. It's the one thing I do find annoying from Lucas. He could be a producers and let 3 guys give us 3 amazing movies about the old Republic or the time of the Sith Wars. That would be so amazing if that were to happen. You don't need decades for this to happen. He could write a first draft or some some of outline letting the writers know what can be mention and what cannot be mention, then get the ball rolling. Forget the Clone War, forget Luke, Leia & Han. Just make a superb Star Wars movies set in the Sith Wars. That Galaxy is huge spanning hundred thousand years, it's insane the stories that can be told.

[MCT]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Forget the Clone War, forget Luke, Leia & Han. Just make a superb Star Wars movies set in the Sith Wars. That Galaxy is huge spanning hundred thousand years, it's insane the stories that can be told.

+1, I've been saying this for years. We can let the OT end with Luke living happily ever after. The Clone Wars....who cares? We know how it ends! Stop already! The Old Republic era has an infinite amount of stories that could be told.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by MCT

+1, I've been saying this for years. We can let the OT end with Luke living happily ever after. The Clone Wars....who cares? We know how it ends! Stop already! The Old Republic era has an infinite amount of stories that could be told.

Let's drive down to Skywalker Ranch and have a meeting with Lucas

[drobswim13]

Originally Posted by MCT

+1, I've been saying this for years. We can let the OT end with Luke living happily ever after. The Clone Wars....who cares? We know how it ends! Stop already! The Old Republic era has an infinite amount of stories that could be told.

I agree, the branches that can be made in the Old Republic are endless!! But at what point, do you think, would the movies just become a shame to the franchise because they did not live of to the caliber of the original trilogy?

[Philip1]

Star Trek for me, just not a big Star Wars fan,

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by drobswim13

I agree, the branches that can be made in the Old Republic are endless!! But at what point, do you think, would the movies just become a shame to the franchise because they did not live of to the caliber of the original trilogy?

The problem is with the fans, the prequels are not as bad as everyone make's them to be. They are exactly what they should be, Star Wars movies. For some weird reasons the fans seem to think the original trilogy are perfect masterpieces of cinema history I mean look at them and tell me they are not cheesie movies. I am the biggest Star Wars fan around and even me can see how cheesie they are.

Chewbacca with the little mouse robot on the Death Stars
Artoo drooping on the ground with a wounded western AHHHH!!!
Chewbacca on a wine making the Tarzan call

And some of the dialogue? Please it's truly not Shakespeare. Yet for some incredible reasons everyone look's this over and just complaint about Jar Jar and the bad acting. Harisson Ford is so wooden in the originals and his face is ready to start laughing everytime he say something. He even mention countless time how bad Lucas was as a writer and if I recall we don't see him in the prequels.

So in the end the disapointment is all on the fans for making the originals in their mind something way bigger then they actualy are and then trying to pretent the prequels are different.

[MCT]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Let's drive down to Skywalker Ranch and have a meeting with Lucas

oh yeah, I'm sure he'd totally give a shit about our "vision" while he's couting a huge stack of money in front of us

I agree, the branches that can be made in the Old Republic are endless!! But at what point, do you think, would the movies just become a shame to the franchise because they did not live of to the caliber of the original trilogy?

I think about this too. The thing is, the KOTOR story is very similar to the OT. It just doesnt have that golly-gee happy go lucky protagonist in Luke, instead you're dealing with a former hardcore, bad-ass Sith Lord turned good. If the right actors were involved, and the script treated with respect, it could be way better than the OT. Yeah, I said it. There are still millions of SW fans out there, unfortunately many of them have become disinterested due to Lucas' whoring out of the brand name by constantly putting out mediocre/flat out bad product.

But I believe with the right timing and the best film possible, they'd come back in droves. I say this, because I'm one of those fans.

[lil_Enzo]

Star Wars here.

[MCT]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

The problem is with the fans, the prequels are not as bad as everyone make's them to be. They are exactly what they should be, Star Wars movies. For some weird reasons the fans seem to think the original trilogy are perfect masterpieces of cinema history I mean look at them and tell me they are not cheesie movies. I am the biggest Star Wars fan around and even me can see how cheesie they are.

Chewbacca with the little mouse robot on the Death Stars
Artoo drooping on the ground with a wounded western AHHHH!!!
Chewbacca on a wine making the Tarzan call

Revisionist communist propoganda.

There is not a single character in the entire prequel trilogy anyone truly cared about. Mace Windu? Oooooh, yeah, real compelling wise Jedi master. In the OT, everyone from Greedo to Obi Wan to the Sandpeople to the Emperor had an impact on the SW Universe. Not to mention the special effects in the OT were much more realistic. Real sets were used as well. This arguement is completely and utterly lame.

[drobswim13]

Originally Posted by MCT

I think about this too. The thing is, the KOTOR story is very similar to the OT. It just doesnt have that golly-gee happy go lucky protagonist in Luke, instead you're dealing with a former hardcore, bad-ass Sith Lord turned good. If the right actors were involved, and the script treated with respect, it could be way better than the OT. Yeah, I said it. There are still millions of SW fans out there, unfortunately many of them have become disinterested due to Lucas' whoring out of the brand name by constantly putting out mediocre/flat out bad product.

But I believe with the right timing and the best film possible, they'd come back in droves. I say this, because I'm one of those fans.

I agree, the KOTOR story is very bad-ass and if the right team was put together, it would make for a great film or series of films. This is mainly due to the fact that the main character has a certain development that is much different than that of Luke. You knew from the beginning that he was going to become a Jedi and not fall to hatred, but you are never sure with the main character in KOTOR. Even in the video game, you can choose which side the character falls based on different aspects of the game, so I think it would make a great story due to the complexity of the characters, especially the main one.

[IndyChaz]

Originally Posted by Beast

Star Wars. Better characters. No crappy films. Just better all around.

Apparently your didn't see Star Wars Episodes I, II, & III. Those were the worst pieces of writing, acting, scifi and character development I have ever seen. Totally boring. The actors who played Anakin could have been replaced by a block of wood and been more animated and believable.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by MCT

Revisionist communist propoganda.

There is not a single character in the entire prequel trilogy anyone truly cared about. Mace Windu? Oooooh, yeah, real compelling wise Jedi master. In the OT, everyone from Greedo to Obi Wan to the Sandpeople to the Emperor had an impact on the SW Universe. Not to mention the special effects in the OT were much more realistic. Real sets were used as well. This arguement is completely and utterly lame.

Nope it's truly not, not my fault no one want's to see it. I think the prequel are exactly the same as the original series but eveyone as spend the last decade convincing themselves they are not and they just refuse to admit it. It does not change anything, the prequels are there to stay and I will enjoy watching them I am not forcing anyone to watch them

[Batman1980]

I'm just a Star Trek FAN but Star Wars will always be the best series of movies of all-time to me. So that's pretty much my vote.

[ObiTrentKenobi]

Originally Posted by gamma626

come on really?

you do realize that Bourne has just as much sex in it? You know that right?

Gosh darn..

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

You've got to be kidding. Have you watched the original series? Females walking around in mini-skirts? Mudd's Women? That Salt Monster that presented itself as a beautiful woman? That aborted pilot episode with Pike presented with females so he could be studied?

Have you watched The Next Generation? What was the second episode? The crew getting drunk and Denise Crosby having sex with Data? Then there's the episode where the crew goes to a sex planet and Wesley steps on a flower, or that episode where Riker falls in love with a non-gender humaoid, or topping them all, that Ghost that causes orgasmic afterglow and seduces Gates McFadden?

As for the movies -- they introduced a new character from another culture that was exceedingly sexual in nature in their very first outing. The movie pretty much ended with two naked people merging into one another.

This ring a bell?

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Barely an ounce of sex in Star Trek?

HAHA, yes i remember the pics there... but I don't recall anything as "graphic" as was displayed in the new film. I haven't seen every star trek episode... (i don't have that much time to waste, LOL)

The sexual content in the first bourne film was nothing anybody could call "graphic". Unnessecary yes, but not graphic.

besides, we're comparing Star Trek and Star Wars. if i could cut out the love makin scene in Bourne Identity, i would... the same with the new star trek movie, i would then enjoy it much more!

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by IndyChaz

Apparently your didn't see Star Wars Episodes I, II, & III. Those were the worst pieces of writing, acting, scifi and character development I have ever seen. Totally boring. The actors who played Anakin could have been replaced by a block of wood and been more animated and believable.

Yet you 've watched all 3 of them? Even when they are the worst movies you've ever seen. You know I watch Godfather once, hated it so much, it just wasn't my type of movie. I never bothered watching the other 2, I figured it would be more of the same. Yet everyone who hates Episode 1 stillwent and watch 2 & 3. Then they've spend the last 10 years complaining about it? Did Lucas put a gun to all your heads and force you to go?

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

The problem is with the fans, the prequels are not as bad as everyone make's them to be.

Well I'd say the fans are fans for a reason, if the prequels aren't in the same vein then the problem isn't the fans.

They are exactly what they should be, Star Wars movies. For some weird reasons the fans seem to think the original trilogy are perfect masterpieces of cinema history I mean look at them and tell me they are not cheesie movies. I am the biggest Star Wars fan around and even me can see how cheesie they are.

For me a movie can be cheesie and be a masterpiece of cinema history

Chewbacca with the little mouse robot on the Death Stars
Artoo drooping on the ground with a wounded western AHHHH!!!
Chewbacca on a wine making the Tarzan call

And some of the dialogue? Please it's truly not Shakespeare.

Thankfully it isn't, I wouldn't enjoy Star Wars nearly as much if it was. I love the dialog like "You rebel scum", part of what makes the series so great

Yet for some incredible reasons everyone look's this over and just complaint about Jar Jar and the bad acting.

Jar Jar does suck, that is the bottom line.

Harisson Ford is so wooden in the originals and his face is ready to start laughing everytime he say something. He even mention countless time how bad Lucas was as a writer and if I recall we don't see him in the prequels.

I enjoyed his character quite a bit.. It wouldn't have made sense for him to be in the prequels.

So in the end the disapointment is all on the fans for making the originals in their mind something way bigger then they actualy are and then trying to pretent the prequels are different.

Well the sequels are quite a bit different than the originals. The originals a Jedi was special, unique, powerful. The sequels they dumbed down what it meant to be a Jedi, they are plentiful and weak. In short the magic that the first contained isn't much of a factor in the prequels. Instead we get a bunch of political bs, which wasn't much of a factor in the first one at all. More good versus evil.

[Lord_Lemon]

Star Trek 2009 > Star Wars 1-3 put together

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still perfer startrek like wrath of khan

and when it comes to starwars could somebody shred jar jar binks