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View Poll Results: Star Trek or Star Wars?
Star Trek 74 21.89%
Both 63 18.64%
Star Wars 201 59.47%
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Old 05-18-2009, 02:46 AM   #381
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I can see this thread has gotten off track... lol
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Old 05-18-2009, 12:02 PM   #382
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Old 05-18-2009, 12:19 PM   #383
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christian bale votes star wars
http://video.aol.com/aolvideo/AOL%20...le/23062789001

(within the last minute)
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Old 05-18-2009, 12:37 PM   #384
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Star Wars. Better characters. No crappy films. Just better all around.
No crappy films? Sorry, but the newer films were just awful. Actually, in my opinion, they really went down hill with Return of the Jedi. Ewoks?
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Old 05-18-2009, 07:21 PM   #385
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Star Wars. Better characters. No crappy films. Just better all around.
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Old 05-18-2009, 07:24 PM   #386
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Although I don't think Star Trek will ever have the same ring to it as Star Wars, I'm honestly going to have to go with Trek here. I think a TV series/movie series has a lot more places to go when ONE person isn't controlling every storyline. Of course, that does mean that there will be some crap, but it also gives an idea more room to grow.
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Old 05-18-2009, 07:55 PM   #387
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I've been waiting for you to vote, I wasn't sure which way you would go.

I see you've added a few new pieces to the collection.

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Old 05-18-2009, 08:15 PM   #388
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I've been waiting for you to vote, I wasn't sure which way you would go.

I see you've added a few new pieces to the collection.

I know! It was a tough one.
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Old 05-18-2009, 11:31 PM   #389
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STAR WARS!!!
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Old 05-19-2009, 12:26 AM   #390
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Star Wars:
7 movies
Clone Wars shorts
Current animated series
A couple of low budget TV specials

Good for selling action figures and video games. A bit stagnant over the years with Lucas over controlling.

Star Trek:
11 movies
5 series
1 animated series

More intelligent approach to science fiction. Obviously not catering to kids and teenagers. Does have its ups and downs but overall have a better and richer universe. No Jar Jar Binks and dumbed down battle droids.

Star Trek for the win.
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Old 05-19-2009, 05:00 AM   #391
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Star Wars:
7 movies
Clone Wars shorts
Current animated series
A couple of low budget TV specials

Good for selling action figures and video games. A bit stagnant over the years with Lucas over controlling.

Star Trek:
11 movies
5 series
1 animated series

More intelligent approach to science fiction. Obviously not catering to kids and teenagers. Does have its ups and downs but overall have a better and richer universe. No Jar Jar Binks and dumbed down battle droids.

Star Trek for the win.
Whoa! I'm sorry, but Star Wars has many novels, comics and video games which provide a richer universe (and these storylines are NOT written by Lucas; i have some of these).

Also, can you explain "more intelligent approach to science fiction"? Lucas was able to show us the battle between good and evil, war among planets and sneaky political tactics which ultimately changed a Republic into an Empire.

As far as i know, when Star Trek was first shown to the world, it took kids and teenagers by storm. Sure, that was not the makers' intent, but it did happen. My parents were into Star Trek when it first came out. My friend's dad was into it as a teen, and now my friend (also a teen) has been sucked into it.

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Old 05-19-2009, 06:27 PM   #392
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Whoa! I'm sorry, but Star Wars has many novels, comics and video games which provide a richer universe (and these storylines are NOT written by Lucas; i have some of these).

Also, can you explain "more intelligent approach to science fiction"? Lucas was able to show us the battle between good and evil, war among planets and sneaky political tactics which ultimately changed a Republic into an Empire.

As far as i know, when Star Trek was first shown to the world, it took kids and teenagers by storm. Sure, that was not the makers' intent, but it did happen. My parents were into Star Trek when it first came out. My friend's dad was into it as a teen, and now my friend (also a teen) has been sucked into it.
Star Trek have a long series of novels that have been written by many sci-fi writer for many years.

Even though Roddenberry's original vision was a little more Utopian, the original series did attempt to comment on some of the social issues of the day including the VietNam War. The Next Generation also did this to some degree.

Star Wars would have us believe that there is a more clearcut separation between good and evil but life is full of grey areas. Star Wars has one main plot line where a major bad guy is manipulating events. Star Trek shows in many instances that good characters will sometime have to make distasteful choices in order to preserve to welfare of many and sometime you may have to team up with your adversary in order to overcome a bigger common threat.

As far as appeals to teens and young kids, the initial fans of the series were mostly those of late high school and college age. Star Trek was never meant to be a shoot 'em up show. And even when there are battles, it's more like naval carriers warfare. Star Wars is more of the aerial dogfight variety which tends to appeal to the younger crowd inherently because of ships blowing up and not having strategy behind the fight where systems will have to be taken out in order to defeat the enemy. Also, the current "the Clone Wars" series which I do like is undoubtedly targeting younger audiences.

The reason that newer audience is taking notice of the latest Star Trek movie is because it is set up with more action to appeal to the masses. I've seen the movie and definitely like it because the filmmakers make a conscious choice of showing us a movie that introduce new ideas breaking away from the old mold but at the same time pay respect to those elements that made the original great for the fans. However, there is still a theme behind to movie. Grief over personal loss can overcome an ordinary person and make him evil (Nero).

Video games, wise, there is no doubt that Star Wars dominate. The reason for this is not because Star Wars is better, it's just that video game companies don't understand what makes an interesting Star Trek game. The best Star Trek game that I've played is Star Trek Legacy. This game works similar to Battlestations Midway in that you are controlling a fleet of ships. There is a different tactic to running a fleet where you are to deploy ships in certain manners to achieve the goal. You also have to keep an eye on ship systems and repair in mid battle to sustain your forces. Star Wars games are more of whoever shoot down the enemy first wins. In fact, if there was a Star Trek game that can combine the fleet battle elements, somewhat open world environment, and third person shooter, it would be unbeatable (Mass Effect + the Godfather + Battlestations Midway in the Star Trek universe).

I don't expect you or anyone to change your mind. I like both Star Trek and Star Wars but for different reasons but I do think the Star Trek is a bit better than Star Wars when taken as a whole.

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Old 05-19-2009, 08:04 PM   #393
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To be fair the Star Wars novels are AMAZING. Some of them better than the actual movies! (Including empire)
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Old 05-19-2009, 10:14 PM   #394
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To be fair the Star Wars novels are AMAZING. Some of them better than the actual movies! (Including empire)
really i didnt even know there was books about the movies!
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Old 05-19-2009, 10:42 PM   #395
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really i didnt even know there was books about the movies!
The Thrawn Trilogy by T. Zahn was pretty good. I also read a few of the X Wing series. But there are tons more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...w_Republic_era
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:33 PM   #396
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really i didnt even know there was books about the movies!
Try Shadows Of The Empire, that story could have been such a great movie
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:34 PM   #397
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Legacy of the Force series were some great reads
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:43 PM   #398
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Jedi academy trilogy was amazing as well!
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:47 PM   #399
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I liked the General Thrawn set, not sure I would ever read it again though. The books do help a bit with my movie withdrawl though, I'll admit that.
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Jedi academy trilogy was amazing as well!
i've never gotten to read the jedi academy ones
but i did hear good things about them

a few months ago i bought the Dark Lord Trilogy but haven't gotten back to it lately
its one book before episode III (Labyrinth of Evil), the novelization of episode III, and one set after episode III (Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader)

before i stopped i got about 100-150 pages through Labyrinth of Evil, it was pretty good, hopefully i get some free time soon to finish it up and read the other two
word is that the novelization of Episode III is better than the film

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