Commentary from the Insiders Thread

[richteer]

Originally Posted by jwflowersii

Well, I'm through trying to debate the benefits of open discussion in a nuetral forum. Paid, I wish you would come back to the AVS forums as I appreciated your insight, but I will not be spending any more time on this or any other non nuetral website.

Good; be sure not to let the door hit your ass on the way out.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by The Guardian

Sure they can, but they'd have to put the flash memory directly on the add-on.

I believe the add-on contains the flash memory (probably a USB dongle) required by the HD DVD spec (which actually only demands 128MB).

Gary

[Jack Torrance]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Seems a weak connection to given any kind of production credit.

I don't think they received any kind of "on the record" credit, and as far as I know they weren't involved in the actually production of the movie. Sony/Columbia at the time bought it as a "strategic buy", knowing that Universal wanted it. However, I also believe they did no development on it really whatsoever, so the "uncredited" mention on IMDB does seem a bit silly. Probably someone not really qualified to judge film credits but still familiar with the history of the project (perhaps from trade announcements... "Passion of the Arc"'s sale made the trades because it sold for over $1 million) submitted that information to IMDB. There is a lot of erenous information on IMDB.

Other projects pass from the studio to studio all the time, usually without mention of the originating studio/production company, unless they made a deal/agreement that requires it.

[Gamma_Winstead]

Originally Posted by jwflowersii

Well, I'm through trying to debate the benefits of open discussion in a nuetral forum. Paid, I wish you would come back to the AVS forums as I appreciated your insight, but I will not be spending any more time on this or any other non nuetral website.

Thanks for any respectful responses!

well what did you expect? You came to a site called BLU-RAY.com! Not NEUTRAL.com!

[scragham]

Originally Posted by jwflowersii

I'm not saying it is, but I definitely WILL not believe someone who is obviously in favor of one format tell me something without providing facts. Since, I'm a skeptic and believe companies are capable of lying, I would rather see open discussion than one sided ones!!!

Edit: Someone from within a company that has a vested interest in the war. I would rather have a challenge and response openess to these insiders who are providing information. The last I checked Amir had to respond to some tough question too.

just caught up on threads, and all i can say is "what the ****"...

so, when someone from the HD DVD camp makes a wild-assed claim about BD technology or economics, it's up to the BD camp to DISPROVE it with data that's very possibly proprietary, and yet the HD DVD boys are held to NO standard of accountability on the matter?

that's just brilliant. if you really operate like this, you deserve all of the abuse that's been heaped upon you in this thread.

be sure to LET the door hit your ass on the way out, as a little goodbye present.

[bootman]

Originally Posted by bambam1901

Insiders,

Just curious what your take is on all the POTC talk today. I'm surprised I haven't seen it mentioned yet anywhere on this site. Personally, I've seen both Pirates movies on blu-ray and did not notice any such issues. They were 2 of the best movies I've seen to date as far as PQ/AQ. Once again, I regret visiting AVS. One poster went so far as to say he'd rather have POTC on DVD because of this situation. On a totally unrelated note, when the hell did everyone in the world go completely nuts?

The framing issue with POTC is only about 3 seconds long.
Its not a knock against BluRay since its a mistake with content not media.
Disney should just correct the mistake and offer replacements to those that want them.
If you didn't notice or care why worry?

[bambam1901]

Believe me, I'm not worried. It's just the latest lame attempt to spread FUD to those dumb enough to buy into that kind of garbage.

On a more positive note, any insider dare to comment on the rumor about Universal going neutral at CES? Care to drop any subtle hints, Penton-Man?

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by scragham

so, when someone from the HD DVD camp makes a wild-assed claim about BD technology or economics, it's up to the BD camp to DISPROVE it with data that's very possibly proprietary, and yet the HD DVD boys are held to NO standard of accountability on the matter?

It wouldn't be the first time the A-man attempted to draw insiders into a violation of an NDA.

[whippersnapper]

Originally Posted by Frode

Hey, at least it was entertaining reading his BS for 5 minutes .

This psycho was posting here for 67 minutes (from 5:41pm to 6:48pm Eastern yesterday. And made 23 posts during that time. Must have been in one of his manic phases.

[WickyWoo]

The framing issue with POTC is only about 3 seconds long.

Actually apparently it's not an issue at all. A cinematographer analyzed the shot and said that given the focus items that he was not going for the face, and it's the DVD with the framing error

[The Guardian]

I was under the impression from the AVS thread it's actually 8 minutes long? There are a number of screenshots from different parts...

[bootman]

Originally Posted by bootman

The framing issue with POTC is only about 3 seconds long.
Its not a knock against BluRay since its a mistake with content not media.
Disney should just correct the mistake and offer replacements to those that want them.
If you didn't notice or care why worry?

This wasn't what I originally wrote!
Do the mods here censor and edit post here on a regular basis?
This wasn't a FUD post.
A simple reply stating my error would be sufficient.
I even looked at his reference post and didn't find anything that stated "3 seconds".
What is really going on here?????

[mattym]

Originally Posted by bootman

This wasn't what I originally wrote!
Do the mods here censor and edit post here on a regular basis?
This wasn't a FUD post.
A simple reply stating my error would be sufficient.
I even looked at his reference post and didn't find anything that stated "3 seconds".
What is really going on here?????

your original post has been edited, have a look at the edit message, it points you to this thread: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=15166

[MrBogey]

I have it on good authority that the yield of BD-50s is higher than the yield of worthwhile posts from Amir.

[bootman]

Originally Posted by mattym

your original post has been edited, have a look at the edit message, it points you to this thread: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=15166

I went through that thread again and another poster stated the 8 min quote but he wasn't edited.
I don't think its a big deal but its the editing of posts to change my words is what bothers me.
I'm a U.S. veteran and freedom of speech is a big deal to me.
Now I understand editing if it's flame bait or verbal abuse, but a simple correction with a link would be sufficient. Changing my words isn't.
Sorry but I feel very strongly about this.
I don't disrespect others and value EVERYONE'S opinions even if they don't agree with mine.
This is just basically wrong and gives everyone here a bad name.
It goes beyond moderating and goes into censoring.
These are two completely different things and leads down a very dangerous path.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by bootman

This wasn't what I originally wrote!
Do the mods here censor and edit post here on a regular basis?
This wasn't a FUD post.
A simple reply stating my error would be sufficient.

Originally Posted by bootman

What is really going on here?????

Originally Posted by bootman

I don't think its a big deal but its the editing of posts to change my words is what bothers me.
I'm a U.S. veteran and freedom of speech is a big deal to me.
Now I understand editing if it's flame bait or verbal abuse, but a simple correction with a link would be sufficient. Changing my words isn't.
Sorry but I feel very strongly about this.
I don't disrespect others and value EVERYONE'S opinions even if they don't agree with mine.
This is just basically wrong and gives everyone here a bad name.
It goes beyond moderating and goes into censoring.
These are two completely different things and leads down a very dangerous path.

You replied to a controversial question for insiders in an insiders thread, with something that was not correct, probably taken from another video site. I could simply have deleted the post and that'd be it. But instead I corrected the around 1600% error figure about the scenes involved in the "controversy", left an explanation, and let your post stand.

I've taken it out of the insiders thread and if it makes you happier I can go and reinsert the framing "errors" 8 minutes figure again and put an arrow next to it saying <- the alluded shots involved actually last around 3 seconds. mod.

[gand41f]

Originally Posted by whippersnapper

This psycho was posting here for 67 minutes (from 5:41pm to 6:48pm Eastern yesterday. And made 23 posts during that time. Must have been in one of his manic phases.

That proves yet again that the most effective defense against trolls is to ignore them. You seen an obvious troll, report the post, don't try to argue with them on the forum. They feed on your energy, and they will have nothing to talk about if you don't respond to them.

enjoy
gandalf

[jubaiweaponx]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

You replied to a controversial question for insiders in an insiders thread, with something that was not correct, probably taken from another video site. I could simply have deleted the post and that'd be it. But instead I corrected the around 1600% error figure about the scenes involved in the "controversy", left an explanation, and let your post stand.

I've taken it out of the insiders thread and if it makes you happier I can go and reinsert the framing "errors" 8 minutes figure again and put an arrow next to it saying <- the alluded shots involved actually last around 3 seconds. mod.

hence the ultraviolet mod status ,just trying to keep order in an unorganized world ,and be fair about it (deci on duty)

[bootman]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

You replied to a controversial question for insiders in an insiders thread, with something that was not correct, probably taken from another video site. I could simply have deleted the post and that'd be it. But instead I corrected the around 1600% error figure about the scenes involved in the "controversy", left an explanation, and let your post stand.

I've taken it out of the insiders thread and if it makes you happier I can go and reinsert the framing "errors" 8 minutes figure again and put an arrow next to it saying <- the alluded shots involved actually last around 3 seconds. mod.

Ok the 8mins was also quoted here:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=191585
He got the info from some other site yet I don't see his post edited.
You are right though, this discussion is not for this thread but a mod's job is to be consistent across the board with regards to the forum's rules.
I don't see the framing issue to be that big of deal (IMO) and only an idiot would call it a knock against the format.
(I'm not a zealot either way, I just want my HD done right)
But if others have an issue with it (like stated in the above thread), they do have a right to get the disk exchanged or refunded.
We can move this to another thread if desired.

[gand41f]

Originally Posted by NutsAboutPS3

2. I think it would be nice to have a place on the website where people can vote for which movies they would like to see on Blu-ray. It would need some sort of protection against malicious voting, or people voting multiple times - perhaps each Sony Blu-ray disc could come with a unique code inside the packaging that entitles the buyer to one vote on the website. The more movies you buy, the more say you have in what gets released in the future, seems fair to me

Logistics aside, I think this is a great idea.

By the way, Japanese manufacturers already do this -- when you buy a DVD, it comes with a self-addressed postcard on which there is a questionnaire.

I'm sure they pay a great deal of attention to what movies people ask for in these postcards, as they are proven buyers of your product.

enjoy
gandalf