Batman: Caped Crusader (HBOMax Animated Series) (Abrams and Reeves)

[matirocker]

Originally Posted by Zechs Merquise

I disagree completely

Thats fine, to each their own!

Originally Posted by Zechs Merquise

If people are harder on the Caped Crusader's version it's for two reasons:
1) The gender swap feels like it's only there to check a box
2) The Caped Crusader was created by Bruce Timm. Not some indifferent hack filmmaker. The Bruce Timm. The man who co-created what many consider the definitive version of Batman. The man who is a comic book artist in his own right. One of the fans. The man who many people feel understand these characters and how to interpret them for the screen in ways that mainstream Hollywood just can't seem to figure out.

Also, Timm's justification for it - that Batman has 'few good villains' - even if we take it to mean Batman has few good female villains is just patently absurd. Especially coming from the man who co-created Harley Quinn

My two cents on your 2 reasonings:

Just saying they wanted to check boxes, or trying to be PC or "woke" are just not elaborate enough thoughts and have no basis about them.

Yes, Timm is in part responsable for BTAS, but did they ever nail Penguin? He always had the weakest episodes and they couldn't do anything really interesting with him until the revamped episodes where he had the Iceberg Lounge. And still he never was the main villain of any episode.

For Caped Crusader, they were clearly going for something different than BTAS in many ways, and they came up with this alternate take on the character. I fail to see why is it such a big deal. Every series, movie, comic keeps trying new stuff with characters so I don't see why it's so wrong to do this. It's been done before and no one has cared.

Why do you feel that it's absurd that Batman has few good female villains? (yes, that's what he meant) Can you name femail villains besides Catwoman, Harley, Poison Ivy and Talia? If you can, can you really say the other ones are really that good or iconic next to them or villains like Joker, Riddler, Mr Freeze, Two Face, Ra's, Bane, etc? There's probably not a lot of them. I agree that it was unnecesary though. Even if there were many good female villains, trying new versions of existing characters is fair game.

Penguin in Caped Crusader was a perfectly fine written character as far as Im concerned