Batman: Caped Crusader (HBOMax Animated Series) (Abrams and Reeves)

[Zechs Merquise]

Originally Posted by matirocker

have no basis about them

They have every basis. Do you even know what ESG is? Companies get paid to push diversity (and punished if they don't). That's the only reason most of them are doing any of this.

Originally Posted by matirocker

Yes, Timm is in part responsable for BTAS, but did they ever nail Penguin?

Are you trying to tell me that She-Penguin nailed the Penguin either?

Originally Posted by matirocker

It's been done before and no one has cared

I don't think you've really been on the internet that long if you think people don't generally get overheated over creators changing established characters.

People complained about the original Ultimate Spider-Man, for god's sake. One of the best and most popular interpretations of Spider-Man and people trashed it before the first issue even came out because it was a reboot and John Byrne's Spider-Man: Chapter One had already stunk up the place.

Originally Posted by matirocker

Can you name femail villains besides Catwoman, Harley, Poison Ivy and Talia?

Lady Shiva, Lady Clayface, Magpie, Nyssa Raatko, Phantasm, Roxy Rocket, Red Claw (all three created by Dini and Timm and Roxy Rocket was very...memorable), Nocturna, White Rabbit, I'm sure there's others.

Even if it was true that there are very few or no great female Batman villains, create one. That's what Dini and Timm did back in the day. For BTAS they created Harley, Roxy Rocket, Phantasm, the Red Claw and a few others. For STAS they created Livewire. For Batman Beyond they created Inque. I'm sure they created interesting female characters for Justice League and Justice League Unlimited.

This is my problem with both Penguins. They're both exactly what's wrong with modern entertainment. The creators of either have no real interest in actually doing the Penguin and have every interest in cynically using his name and brand recognition to tell stories about two completely different characters, instead of just creating their own characters.