Star Wars Question Regarding Palpatine/Darth Sidious

[Elbie]

So I have been watching The Clone Wars Blu-ray and it got me thinking. Now I may have missed something from the second trilogy and I haven't seen Episode 3 in a long time, but here is my question. How long did Palpatine have Order 66 planned? It just interests me that this whole thing happened and all of the Clones knew, yet Yoda and others didn't really have a clue about this.

[EvilGav]

Count Dooku ordered the clone troopers at about the same time as the trade federation blockaded Naboo, under the orders of Palpatine - so he'd had it planned for a good 20 years or so.

[somchair1]

George Lucas would be the man to answer this. Like the above poster it would seem that he had it in mind for a long time but the number also has to be significant. I'm sure he could have uploaded an order at anytime he pleased with the amount of power he had.

[Jwilly019]

Originally Posted by somchair1

George Lucas would be the man to answer this. Like the above poster it would seem that he had it in mind for a long time but the number also has to be significant. I'm sure he could have uploaded an order at anytime he pleased with the amount of power he had.

He could have had the order ingrained into the clones as they were being created.

[smith1921]

Originally Posted by Jwilly019

He could have had the order ingrained into the clones as they were being created.

that is my take on how it went

[Galactus]

So whats happening with episodes VII. VIII. IX are they still a go?

[GeneD5]

Originally Posted by EvilGav

Count Dooku ordered the clone troopers at about the same time as the trade federation blockaded Naboo, under the orders of Palpatine - so he'd had it planned for a good 20 years or so.

Was it Dooku's Jedi name the cloner's referred to in episode II when they were telling Obi Wan who ordered the clones?

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by GeneD5

Was it Dooku's Jedi name the cloner's referred to in episode II when they were telling Obi Wan who ordered the clones?

Dooku is his traditional name. His Sith name is Darth Tyranus.

Originally Posted by ryan69969

Interesting question about the prequels: kinda like looking a block of swiss cheese and disproprotionately wondering why one particular hole exists.

Answer: The Jedi didn't know about the Order for the same reason they could not discover, detect, sense, etc. that Palpatine was the Sith lord. Even though throughout the series, Jedi seem rather adept at 'feeling' the Force in anybody they happen to encounter, Lucas had to neuter their powers so that the Jedi council could actually be co-opted by a poorly crafted story and Hayden Christensen.

The case with Palpatine was the first Sith any of them had ever encountered (apart from Obi-wan killing Darth Maul and those who dealt directly with Dooku before Anakin killed him). Dark Jedi don't count.

It is entirely possible that they may be unable to sense one's force adeptness if they're full-on Sith, or maybe Palpatine's higher level or special learnings allowed him to shield himself. I would say that being able to hide one's self would be a skill in high demand for a a Dark Side follower.

And yeah, it's pretty obvious they realize something shady is going on, they just don't know what until it's too late. They're even openly suspicious of Palpatine but fail to consider the idea of him being a Sith Lord.

[StereoMike]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

Dooku is his traditional name. His Sith name is Darth Tyranus.

I think he was talking about Sifo-Dyas

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by Stereomike

I think he was talking about Sifo-Dyas

That may have been the name he was thinking of, but he referred to Dooku and asked about Dooku's "Jedi name".

Dooku is his name. That's not the Sith title appointed to him.

ps look what I found: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Concealment

So yeah, Sith Lords are definitely able to conceal themselves if they take the time to learn how.

[P@t_Mtl]

Sith are able to cover their powers, it's one of their special abilities. Also it's good to remember that the Jedi in the movies are no longer the Jedi of old. They are decadent, too sure of themselves, Yoda make's a few remarks about that in the movies. After a 1000 years a lot of techniques and teachings have been lost to them due to lack of use and the fact that they refuse to evolve their believes. This would give a serious advantage to a Sith master and his apprentice. A thousand years without much of any challenges and enemies will make anyone lose their edge and that is where the Jedi are in the prequels. Yoda known's it, Qui Gon knew it as well.

It's always been my believe that Darth Sidious created Anakin, there is a few hints here in there in the movies.

The clone army was ordered by Sifo-Dyas, it's never too clear if he was Dooku or not but in the movie Obiwan is saying he was dead for 10 years, so I doubt he could confuse Dooku and Sifo-Dyas, it's probably that Sifo-Dyas was a older Jedi that was influence by Darth Sidious to order the clones.

[Ator the Invincible]

Originally Posted by GeneD5

Was it Dooku's Jedi name the cloner's referred to in episode II when they were telling Obi Wan who ordered the clones?

Just to add to what others have said... No. There really aren't "Jedi names". Jedi use their birth names for the most part. The name you're referring to is Sifo-Dyas. He was an ally of Dooku's in the Jedi Order and he was the one who secretly ordered the clones when he had a vision of upcoming turmoil and war. Palpatine found out about this and ordered Dooku to murder Dyas as a test. Dooku did so and took over the development of the clones for their own purposes.

[aramis109]

Would be interested in reading some more of this "Palpatine created Anakin" bit if folks have links. First I've heard of it.

[Ator the Invincible]

Originally Posted by aramis109

Would be interested in reading some more of this "Palpatine created Anakin" bit if folks have links. First I've heard of it.

There's a bit of a misconception here. Palpatine didn't create Anakin, but he believed that his mentor, Darth Plagueis, did. It was never flat out stated in the movies, but it was heavily hinted to be the truth. It all goes back to Episode I and Anakin's mom stating that there was no father. Fast forward to Episode III, and there's a scene where Palpatine and Anakin are sitting together at a show. It's here that Palpatine tells Anakin the story of Darth Plagueis, the Sith Lord who learned how to create life using the Force. Palpatine believed that Plagueis succeeded and Anakin was the result, hence his interest in young Skywalker.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Plagueis

[anomynous]

Originally Posted by aramis109

Would be interested in reading some more of this "Palpatine created Anakin" bit if folks have links. First I've heard of it.

there's no real info about it, other than Anakin having no father, and Palpatine saying while his master (Darth Plagueis) was trying to find out how to have eternal life, he found a way to create life from the force.


But here's a wiki page that goes into detail, and expanded universe stuff too


Palpatine


EDIT: Somewhat double post

[GORT]

Originally Posted by aramis109

Would be interested in reading some more of this "Palpatine created Anakin" bit if folks have links. First I've heard of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R09jFWQVrE0

[Filmmaker85]

http://blogs.starwars.com/DarthPlagueis/1

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by Elbie

So I have been watching The Clone Wars Blu-ray and it got me thinking. Now I may have missed something from the second trilogy and I haven't seen Episode 3 in a long time, but here is my question. How long did Palpatine have Order 66 planned? It just interests me that this whole thing happened and all of the Clones knew, yet Yoda and others didn't really have a clue about this.

He had it planned all along. At least before the events of Episode I took place. Probably even earlier, because when Episode I began, he was already working in politics.

He orchestrated the blockade on Naboo to get the ball rolling that would lead to him taking to political power over the senate. Part of him taking complete power as the Emperor was the destruction of all Jedi, something he also craved in being a Sith Lord.

Yoda and the others DID see it coming, but they couldn't tell what it was they were sensing. All they sensed was a darkness, because their vision was clouded by the growing power of Palpatine and, I would say, the overall dark plot of the entire Clone Wars.

The thing that I think is hilarious is people look at the Clone Wars like it was a "real" thing. Like it was a real war worthy of identifying the Jedi as heroes of. It was puppeted on both sides by Palpatine, on one as the politician Palpatine and on the other as the Sith Lord Darth Sideous. He used the war as a catalyst that would allow him to overthrow the Senate. The Jedi fighting in that war were just puppets, not war heroes. Characters like Grievous are easy to villify, but that doesn't mean the war was justified.

Originally Posted by Blu Blood

So whats happening with episodes VII. VIII. IX are they still a go?

Not happening. Star Wars is intended to be the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. With his death in Episode VI, there is no more to tell.

They could make additional movies in the universe (like The Clone Wars, or even live action things like the upcoming TV show), but no Episode VII or beyond.

[Ernest Rister]

Palpatine/Sidious, apprentice of Plagueis, also created Anakin -- it's on the DVD commentary for Episode III. Lucas decided to cut the explicit dialog from the film, and now Palapatine only vaguely refers to it, which I think is a damned shame, because if you know that Anakin was created by the Sith, it puts a lot of things in Episode I in context.

[bogo5]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Palpatine/Sidious, apprentice of Plagueis, also created Anakin -- it's on the DVD commentary for Episode III. Lucas decided to cut the explicit dialog from the film, and now Palapatine only vaguely refers to it, which I think is a damned shame, because if you know that Anakin was created by the Sith, it puts a lot of things in Episode I in context.

what scene is that audio commentary from?