Thank you FOX - you saved me a lot of money

[JBlacklow]

Obviously a flame-starter. All of the OP's complaints currently apply equally as well to HD DVD, thanks to AACS. If he was actually upset with a logical reason, then he would have complained about both. He's a pirate and/or HD DVD fan.

[SiXXftUnder]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

Kind of like HD DVD sales!

ZING!!!!

[sj001]

Originally Posted by Banjo

If you own a copy of the movie. You are legally entitled to make a back-up copy for your own personal uses. It is not theft because there is no loss in the process. You are only protecting what you bought by making a copy of it in case something happens to the original copy.

If you think otherwise, then you should stop watching movies whenever your friends or family members are in your presence because the movie studios aren't making any money off them. The sames applies to lending movies.

Sounds ridiculous? Well, that's because it is!

The only thing in process of making a back-up copy that is "illegal" is that you are breaking the law by decrypting a encrypted property.

What I'm saying is, consumers shouldn't be held accountable for making backup copies of the movies they bought. It's the thieves who re-distribute movies to the public without authorization that should be held accountable because they are the ones who are taking the profits away from the movie studios.

When you buy a movie, you automatically agree that you will use it for privates uses only meaning you will play it in your household or other private households, nowhere else. Not even in a school classroom which is considered a copyright infringement.

It's only the encryption that is illegal to break through. So it's a gray area for the consumers. The encryption is meant to prevent piracy. There's a difference between piracy and back-ups.

Very true indeed, but really, how many people actually backup these discs legitimately and not for pirating reasons? Probably very, very few...

[Maxell]

I'll admit I "back up" dvd movies and am somewhat of a cheapskate. But I decided to buy blu-ray because it is the superior format. I'm sure that blu-ray will be able to be backed up one day. Hackers always beat the system.
But right now I'd rather support blu-ray buy buying discs. You are not supporting hddhvd by copying them

[GasCat]

Originally Posted by blurip

I Back up only movies I own! , i back up movies because i like being able to use my computer as a server that is not pirating

I don't consider that pirating either. Why post though?

You want to complain about BD+ on Blu-Ray and say that is why you will not buy Blu-Ray? Much like this thread, it isn't going anywhere.

[WickyWoo]

What I'm saying is, consumers shouldn't be held accountable for making backup copies of the movies they bought. It's the thieves who re-distribute movies to the public without authorization that should be held accountable because they are the ones who are taking the profits away from the movie studios.

Disney has a disc replacement service, even for OOP stuff. You register your disc with them and $10 gets you a replacement down the line.

[doctorD]

Originally Posted by blurip

this was what i was talking about when i said i was getting alot of negitive vibes from BLU RAY its just a movie format people, lets put that into perspective, i was just saying that its hard to adopt a format when they make it so hard to do so

OK blurip, what you may or may not know is that there have been other HD DVD supporters trolling around and posting in our forum (Blu-ray.com) posing as a supporter of Blu ray but really trying to start trouble. Now at least you have indicated in your post that you have supported HD DVD, but you have to understand is statements in your post indentifies why you won't support Blu ray. It really doesn't make sense why you would post on this forum if you don't support it. At least there are people that support or have supported both that post favorable threads here.

So you may want to re-read your thread and maybe you will see why people are responding to you the way they are. If you don't want to support Blu ray that is your choice and is fine, but there are many that do support it.

[GasCat]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

Disney has a disc replacement service, even for OOP stuff. You register your disc with them and $10 gets you a replacement down the line.

I didn't know that. I will have to check it out thanks Wicky.

[HMtheJJ]

oh my God, this topic over and over again!!!!!!

first of all, u r not welcomed if u dont obey the law!!! Blu Ray is a SONY's prodcuts like everything else SONY makes, copy right is very important, most ppl dont like this cuz they only have enough money to afford one copy, so it is the SINGLE reason why lot of ppl dont buy much better SONY MP3 Walkman but garbadge like Ipoo!!! which is very upsetting!!!!

"I Back up only movies I own", doesnt matter, u do know that u only bought the hard copy of that one Disc... not the copy right of the movie, so u have no right to copy the movie or music in any way!!!!!!!! Period!!!!!!!

I say ppl work harder, make more money, do not complain things like this, and frankly, I'll say this again, who ever dont obey the law and wanna play cheap... suit urself, u r not welcomed!!!! buying SONY is not just a product, it's a life style whicih u have to spend a LOT of money, if u cannot afford or not willing to, better off just stay away!!!!

[SS316SRV]

Blurip hasn't really replied recently...

"backing up" a disc is useless. Watching High Definition content on a computer seems retarded, unless it is a 42" monitor. The fact that Blu-rays cannot be pirated is leading to more studio and CE support. I am all for copy protection. Because people who steal go to hell and watch HD DVD with Hitler.

[marzetta7]

Blurip,

MMC (Mandatory Managed Copy) is something that will be supported on both formats...we still await any type of logical reply from you as to your thought process on BD+...and I'm afraid we'll be waiting...and waiting...

[blurip]

just to clear somethings up i only backup what i own if you go out and rent a disk and copy that, that is wrong, is it being done by some people? i would say yes but i DONT aggree with it,, also i use my computer as a server and i dont backup every disk i own just the ones i like to watch over and over, and believe me if i was not able to backup HD DVD i would not support them either,

[blurip]

Originally Posted by marzetta7

Blurip,

MMC (Mandatory Managed Copy) is something that will be supported on both formats...we still await any type of logical reply from you as to your thought process on BD+...and I'm afraid we'll be waiting...and waiting...

if it is supported on Blu Ray and HD DVD i will support both

[russ]

Originally Posted by sj001

Even with a server with several 1TB hard drives, why would you want to serve them out? Because you can't get up and put the disc in the drive? I mean come on, the only reason I can see from my standpoint, is to create an FTP (or whatever) site so people can download the movies. I mean does anyone actually know anyone who really backs up their movies?!!?

Probably so that you can have access to them in any room in the house that has a PC in it. Access your high def videos in the living room so that you can watch on your huge high def display, in your bedroom so that you can watch on your more modest high def display, in your home office so that you can watch on your PC while you're taking a break from work, and so on.

While the concept is interesting, actually getting it done is still a little impractical based on hardware requirements. If you're going go through all of this trouble, it will be because you have a LOT of movies that you will want ripped to your media server. So 1 TB would be roughly 20 fifty gig blu-rays. Not a lot of movies. Roughly 33 thirty gig hd-dvds; again, not a lot of movies, at least not enough to warrant the investment in equipment. So up it to 2 TB and double your capacity. Well, we are talking hundreds of dollars here if we are going 2+ TB, especially if you are going the NAS route {which, hello, you would be}. We're investing hundreds of dollars in network storage. Doesn't really sound like something a stereotypical hd-dvd supporter would do to be honest.

This dude probably has like a 320 gig hard drive, which will of course hold a lot of DVDs, but when you start dumping high def media to it, space runs out pretty quick. "Gotta have those 10 hd-dvds backed up son lawl." I'm guessing he hasn't thought this thing through very thoroughly yet.

tl;dr: ripping high def media is currently kind of impractical

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by blurip

but now that FOX is using BD + ( an anti consumer move)

It is NOT an anti-consumer move!!

This ludicrous statement alone makes your entire tirade pointless and practically negating the need of any serious rebuttal.

Dr. A

[Blu-Light]

Originally Posted by blurip

this was what i was talking about when i said i was getting alot of negitive vibes from BLU RAY its just a movie format people, lets put that into perspective, i was just saying that its hard to adopt a format when they make it so hard to do so

Buying blu-ray has not been any problem what so ever for our family. We bought a player, we rent and buy movies and they play perfectly. And guess what? They DON'T scratch!! They always play and it all works perfectly unlike what I read about all the time from the DUD side.

[blurip]

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

Blurip hasn't really replied recently...

"backing up" a disc is useless. Watching High Definition content on a computer seems retarded, unless it is a 42" monitor. The fact that Blu-rays cannot be pirated is leading to more studio and CE support. I am all for copy protection. Because people who steal go to hell and watch HD DVD with Hitler.

come on..now ... i use it with a 60in tv and i do not steal them because i buy the disks first before i back them up!!!

[SKRUhddvd]

i think the mods here should forward blurips personal info to the hddvd studios. id love to see him standing in front of the judge explaining how he owns the movie and can do what ever he wants with it. get a job looser!

[Banjo]

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

The fact that Blu-rays cannot be pirated is leading to more studio and CE support. I am all for copy protection. Because people who steal go to hell and watch HD DVD with Hitler.

Actually, Blu-ray Discs can and have been cracked. Blu-ray Disc with BD+ technology is new and is uncrackable at the moment.

[Frode]

Ignoring the trollage for a moment. Lets say you copied a movie to a server, and wanted to watch it on your TV. How would you do that? You'd need to have a wired (wireless is too slow) connection to a media playback device that's hooked up to your TV. In addition said media playback device would have to be powerful enough that you can actually play it at full speed, which means either a PS3 or a modern pc. Both can play back BDs locally, so the only thing you'd gain is not having to move your butt over to the media rack and then insert the disc into the player.