Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Beast

Besides, whether he shoots first or not.... it doesn't really change Han's character. His character arc is still intact, since he's still the same smuggler with no real loyalties other than the pay regardless of whether Greedo gets off a shot or not. That's not really changed at all.

I think it changes his character quite a bit but it makes no difference to the plot. Which is the important thing. There's a big difference between a guy who shoots first when backed into the corner (remember Greedo gave him the option of an out) and one who shoots to defend himself.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by chip75

Once a film hits the theatre it belongs to the public as much as the creators. I have a huge repect for George Lucas and I admire all his acheivements. He can do all he wants to the SE's but he can't change history, he sould embrace it. Just as much as I should embrace his endeavours to find happiness in his alterations. Sometimes it's a tightrope balancing act where I make it to the other side. Sometimes I fall off and bang my head.

Again, he is not changing history. The original are still preserve they were never destroyed. What really bug's people is that he won't release the originals, that is the real problem. He is not changing history since they are still being preserve for the future, he just want to release the version he want's and that is his own personal rights as the owner of the franchise, like it or not.

That is exactly what I was talking about before about blind hatred on the part of certain people.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

Not if he changes it in ANH.


(Kidding of course, no need to respond to this to tell me how stupid it would be and how I'm not a "true" fan, etc. etc.)

I have never used the term "true fan". Everyone is a fan, whether they like the prequels or the special editions.

There's no pedigree for fans in my eyes. The whole "Lucas Raped My Childhood" does get tiring though.

[IndefinentBlu]

Originally Posted by Beast

I have never used the term "true fan". Everyone is a fan, whether they like the prequels or the special editions.

There's no pedigree for fans in my eyes. The whole "Lucas Raped My Childhood" does get tiring though.

I agree.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Again, he is not changing history.

At least not until someone invents a time machine and he can go back and replace the movies.

Which I think is the next level of incredible absurdity that this endless debate can reach.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Beast

At least not until someone invents a time machine and he can go back and replace the movies.

Which I think is the next level of incredible absurdity that this endless debate can reach.

Please don't gave people more debate ressources to come up with ways to dislike him

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by chip75

My tongue was firmly in cheek (as it always is). Movies are made through a committee these days anyways why should alterations be different? Are you saying if you buy a painting that the artist can come in to your home and alter it after take ownership of it? Even if you don't like the alterations? Even if it makes it worse?

For one thing the public doesn´t own Star Wars. If you commission an artist to paint a picture just for you and you pay him for it it is yours. If you buy the rights to use an existing artwork from an artist he has all the right to change the original at any point! Lucas was not commissioned by the public to make these movies to their wishes. He is an independent filmmaker who made the films for himself. He has the rights to release them the way he wants!

Another point is that if you bought a copy of Star Wars (maybe on DVD) Lucas has no intensions of coming to your home and alter these copies.

The point is that he can´t and shouldn´t be forced to release the films in ways he doesn´t want to see them released.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

For one thing the public doesn´t own Star Wars. If you commission an artist to paint a picture just for you and you pay him for it it is yours. If you buy the rights to use an existing artwork from an artist he has all the right to change the original at any point! Lucas was not commissioned by the public to make these movies to their wishes. He is an independent filmmaker who made the films for himself. He has the rights to release them the way he wants!

Another point is that if you bought a copy of Star Wars (maybe on DVD) Lucas has no intensions of coming to your home and alter these copies.

The point is that he can´t and shouldn´t be forced to release the films in ways he doesn´t want to see them released.

From a certain point of view the public did commission it's sequels by making the original Star Wars a success. And he can do what he wants. He can do a lot of people a favour and restore the originals for public prosperity and historical significance. And at the end of the day, what's really wrong with that?

[Geoff D]

I agree. Williams was smart enough not to overplay the Imperial March in the prequels, so the lack of that cue in Star Wars doesn't hurt the film one bit. No prequel music needs to be in there either.

[Monolithium]

Originally Posted by Beast

I have never used the term "true fan". Everyone is a fan, whether they like the prequels or the special editions.

There's no pedigree for fans in my eyes. The whole "Lucas Raped My Childhood" does get tiring though.

And yet you keep bringing it up.

[Blu_Ray_Enthusiast]

Jar JAR FTW

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Blu_Ray_Enthusiast

Jar JAR FTW

Anxiously awaiting how long it takes before the inevitable response... It might be longer than usual just because I posted this.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

Anxiously awaiting how long it takes before the inevitable response... It might be longer than usual just because I posted this.

Still waiting....

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

Anxiously awaiting how long it takes before the inevitable response... It might be longer than usual just because I posted this.

Jar Jar didn't RUIN Star Wars, he just took what could've been a fantastic PT and lowered it to a really good PT. Yes he is quite possibly the worst character in all 6 movies and considering we have characters like kiddie Anakin and C-3P0 that's saying a lot.

[IndefinentBlu]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Jar Jar didn't RUIN Star Wars, he just took what could've been a fantastic PT and lowered it to a really good PT. Yes he is quite possibly the worst character in all 6 movies and considering we have characters like kiddie Anakin and C-3P0 that's saying a lot.

Jar Jar was the comic relief of the prequels i mean come on did no one laugh when he said:

1) Thesa sun doin murder to mesa skin.

AND

When he steps in s**t.

AND

When he gets his arm caught in the podracer.

[chip75]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Again, he is not changing history. The original are still preserve they were never destroyed. What really bug's people is that he won't release the originals, that is the real problem. He is not changing history since they are still being preserve for the future, he just want to release the version he want's and that is his own personal rights as the owner of the franchise, like it or not.

That is exactly what I was talking about before about blind hatred on the part of certain people.

The originals maybe preserved but that doesn't do the people who want to see them any favours. Why preserve them in the first place if they aren't going to release them? Why not let them rot? Do the public have access to them? What if the company who are preserving them decide to restore them and transfer them to a digital medium?

In the immortal words of General Katana (well immortal until he had his head chopped off) "Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. If you don't take it out and use it, it's going to rust."

And what have my posts got to do with blind hatred?

[chip75]

Originally Posted by indefinentnj

Jar Jar was the comic relief of the prequels i mean come on did no one laugh when he said:

1) Thesa sun doin murder to mesa skin.

AND

When he steps in s**t.

AND

When he gets his arm caught in the podracer.

You forgot the bit when he electrocuted his tongue. Or when he started a war and still walks around like a clown when other Gungans are dying in front of him. Hilarious....

In RotJ when the little Ewok goes back to see if his dead friend is okay I feel moved. Jar-Jar only moves my bowels and George Lucas to a bigger house....

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by chip75

Once a film hits the theatre it belongs to the public as much as the creators.

Nice one, Comrade! In Soviet Russia, film owns you.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Jar Jar didn't RUIN Star Wars, he just took what could've been a fantastic PT and lowered it to a really good PT. Yes he is quite possibly the worst character in all 6 movies and considering we have characters like kiddie Anakin and C-3P0 that's saying a lot.

Nah, that's Darth Maul. Just glad they had the sense to kill him off, and bring in Dooku instead.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by chip75

The originals maybe preserved but that doesn't do the people who want to see them any favours.

They can legally watch them in VHS or Laserdisc or non-anamorphic DVD... or illegally, there are some other options for those who don't respect copyright law.