Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by watzcoc

Palpatine made Anakin believe that he should be the one to kill Grevious, Palpatine also new that the Jedi council would not send Anakin but would send Obi Wan instead.

Palpatine was putting ideas into Anakins head to continue the distruss Anakin was having with the council. Also Anakin finding out that Obi Wan was sent to kill Grevious angered and frustrated him more putting more doubt into his mind that the Jedi distrussed Anakin.

It has nothing to do with sending Anakin to kill Grevious due to being a sith apprentice, Anakin was not even turned then. Palpatine wanted to convince Anakin that the Jedi were the enemy and was against Anakin.

...and that is a good point.

[frogmort]

Considering that GL used Saturday afternoon matinee corny cliffhangers like Flash Gordon as a basis for Star Wars, I think some of the underlying story ideas are pretty complex.

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by frogmort

Considering that GL used Saturday afternoon matinee corny cliffhangers like Flash Gordon as a basis for Star Wars, I think some of the underlying story ideas are pretty complex.

For me, it was how the story was told that made it confusing. Like the whole Camino scene, for example. Had no idea what was going on and I'm not sure anyone else in the theater did either.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

For me, it was how the story was told that made it confusing. Like the whole Camino scene, for example. Had no idea what was going on and I'm not sure anyone else in the theater did either.

I guess it was just to show where Boba Fett, and the Clone Troopers came from, but I was hoping to find out more about the Caminoans, and Jedi Master Sifo Dyas. I still don't know exactly what was up with that.

[JamesKurtovich]

Originally Posted by frogmort

I guess it was just to show where Boba Fett, and the Clone Troopers came from, but I was hoping to find out more about the Caminoans, and Jedi Master Sifo Dyas. I still don't know exactly what was up with that.

Yeah. So a Jedi was killed for no apparent reason a while ago who secretly ordered a clone army on a planet that was somehow erased from the Jedi Archives but the guy in charge is a bounty hunter that's hiring other bounty hunters to kill a Senator and who was actually hired by someone named Tyranus on Bogdan?

... Ok.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by frogmort

I guess it was just to show where Boba Fett, and the Clone Troopers came from, but I was hoping to find out more about the Caminoans, and Jedi Master Sifo Dyas. I still don't know exactly what was up with that.

I think that's the point that JamesKurtovich is making. While we saw the factory and we knew (in terms of physical location) where the clones came from, the whole process of how this was all set in motion wasn't really explained at all. It was this great mystery that both Obi Wan and Yoda were stumped by, and yet we never really get a specific answer.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

Yeah. So a Jedi was killed for no apparent reason a while ago who secretly ordered a clone army on a planet that was somehow erased from the Jedi Archives but the guy in charge is a bounty hunter that's hiring other bounty hunters to kill a Senator and who was actually hired by someone named Tyranus on Bogdan?

... Ok.

It's a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma!

[BouCoupDinkyDau]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Jar Jar didn't RUIN Star Wars, he just took what could've been a fantastic PT and lowered it to a really good PT.

Keep aiming lower.

[IndefinentBlu]

Originally Posted by watzcoc

Palpatine made Anakin believe that he should be the one to kill Grevious, Palpatine also new that the Jedi council would not send Anakin but would send Obi Wan instead.

Palpatine was putting ideas into Anakins head to continue the distruss Anakin was having with the council. Also Anakin finding out that Obi Wan was sent to kill Grevious angered and frustrated him more putting more doubt into his mind that the Jedi distrussed Anakin.

It has nothing to do with sending Anakin to kill Grevious due to being a sith apprentice, Anakin was not even turned then. Palpatine wanted to convince Anakin that the Jedi were the enemy and was against Anakin.

Palpatine planned everything he purposely made sure that yoda and kenobi were no where near anakin when he started to seduce him.

He seduced him by planting seeds of doubt he also made it seem that the jedi were against him he also purposely befriended him years ago so that anakin would trust him.

He knew the jedi were going to use anakin to spy on him, and he knew anakin would get offended by it.

The straw that broke the camel's back was when they denied him a seat on the council you can see the look he gives mace.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by indefinentnj

Palpatine planned everything he purposely made sure that yoda and kenobi were no where near anakin when he started to seduce him.

He seduced him by planting seeds of doubt he also made it seem that the jedi were against him he also purposely befriended him years ago so that anakin would trust him.

He knew the jedi were going to use anakin to spy on him, and he knew anakin would get offended by it.

The straw that broke the camel's back was when they denied him a seat on the council you can see the look he gives mace.

They didn't deny him a spot on the council, they denied him the rank of Jedi Master, there is a difference.

[IndefinentBlu]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

They didn't deny him a spot on the council, they denied him the rank of Jedi Master, there is a difference.

Sorry, forgot about that thought it was a seat.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by indefinentnj

Sorry, forgot about that thought it was a seat.

You are on the Council but we do not grant you the rank of Master.
How can you be on the Council and not be a Master? It's outrageous!
Have a seat, young Skywalker.
Sorry, Master.

[frogmort]

I'm not sure if this is true, but apparently Mace Windu's lightsaber has "Bad Motherf#@ker" etched into it in Star Wars language.



It has 15 letters which would be the right amount.

[Beast]

Translate for yourself:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aurebesh

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Hell, I actually appreciate certain parts of his 'performance' in Phantom Menace. During the quiet moments there's actual nuance there, like when he tilts his eyes towards Boss Nass and laughs nervously when asking Qui-Gon for help. And some of the goofy humour gets a smile from me too; I love that bit where he makes the universal 'cut the engine' sign when he gets his hand caught in the pod racer engine.

Yeah, that's funny. I also like the dining scene where he fetches the fruit with his tongue, or when they are in the submarine and the engine stalls.
I had a great laugh when he thinks the audience is cheering him on before the podrace in one of the deleted scenes. There are some funny bits during the final battle too. All in all, I don't mind him at all.

Originally Posted by indefinentnj

I'm afraid that another set will come out in 2017 when ROTJ releases in 3d.

You could always wait another 5-6 years. Problem solved.

Originally Posted by chip75

My tongue was firmly in cheek (as it always is). Movies are made through a committee these days anyways why should alterations be different? Are you saying if you buy a painting that the artist can come in to your home and alter it after take ownership of it? Even if you don't like the alterations? Even if it makes it worse?

Once a film hits the theatre it belongs to the public as much as the creators. I have a huge repect for George Lucas and I admire all his acheivements. He can do all he wants to the SE's but he can't change history, he sould embrace it. Just as much as I should embrace his endeavours to find happiness in his alterations. Sometimes it's a tightrope balancing act where I make it to the other side. Sometimes I fall off and bang my head.

I am really glad you don't have a say....

Originally Posted by shelldweller

For one thing the public doesn´t own Star Wars. If you commission an artist to paint a picture just for you and you pay him for it it is yours. If you buy the rights to use an existing artwork from an artist he has all the right to change the original at any point! Lucas was not commissioned by the public to make these movies to their wishes. He is an independent filmmaker who made the films for himself. He has the rights to release them the way he wants!

Another point is that if you bought a copy of Star Wars (maybe on DVD) Lucas has no intensions of coming to your home and alter these copies.

The point is that he can´t and shouldn´t be forced to release the films in ways he doesn´t want to see them released.

This.

Originally Posted by chip75

From a certain point of view the public did commission it's sequels by making the original Star Wars a success. And he can do what he wants. He can do a lot of people a favour and restore the originals for public prosperity and historical significance. And at the end of the day, what's really wrong with that?

Wow! Just wow!

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Beast

Translate for yourself:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aurebesh

Thanks Beast! I've never seen that. I'm not sure if that's a real prop, but it does say that.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by JamesKurtovich

For me, it was how the story was told that made it confusing. Like the whole Camino scene, for example. Had no idea what was going on and I'm not sure anyone else in the theater did either.

I thought that sequence was one of the better parts of AotC. The fact that everything wasn't spelled out made the whole thing seem more sinister. The planet had been removed from the archives, the plot had been in progress for years, a Jedi may or may not have been involved (with or without the knowlege of the council), that Jedi may or may not have died afterall...the ambiguities here were actually pretty interesting.

As for the fact that some of it was never resolved (or may have been the result of a typo) yeah, I dunno, that doesn't bug me too much but I can see other people hating loose ends like that.

[greg_achen]

I thought it was obvious that Dooku erased the planet from the archives. Why? Because only a Jedi could erase the planet from the archives and Dooku, a former Jedi, was conspiring with Palpatine to create the clones. Jango even admits to Obi Wan that it was not Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas who hired him as the clone template, but a man named "Tyrannus."

"I was hired by a man called Tyrannus off one of the moons of Bogden."

At the end of Attack of the Clones Palpatine explicitly states to Dooku, "Welcome home, Lord Tyrannus."

How much more explicit can it get?

I also always viewed the very existence of Order 66 as a wonderfully in-your-face revelation that the clones had been Palpatine's grand design to begin with. The Order 66 sequence plays like a confessional scene for Palpatine, where the viewer finally makes sense of the true purpose behind the whole Clone Wars.

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

I thought it was obvious that Dooku erased the planet from the archives. Why? Because only a Jedi could erase the planet from the archives and Dooku, a former Jedi, was conspiring with Palpatine to create the clones. Jango even admits to Obi Wan that it was not Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas who hired him as the clone template, but a man named "Tyrannus."

"I was hired by a man called Tyrannus off one of the moons of Bogden."

At the end of Attack of the Clones Palpatine explicitly states to Dooku, "Welcome home, Lord Tyrannus."

How much more explicit can it get?

I also always viewed the very existence of Order 66 as a wonderfully in-your-face revelation that the clones had been Palpatine's grand design to begin with. The Order 66 sequence plays like a confessional scene for Palpatine, where the viewer finally makes sense of the true purpose behind the whole Clone Wars.

Yeah, all of that is pretty obvious, but I still was expecting to find out more about Sifo Dyas.

[Indyjones]

Originally Posted by frogmort

I'm not sure if this is true, but apparently Mace Windu's lightsaber has "Bad Motherf#@ker" etched into it in Star Wars language.



It has 15 letters which would be the right amount.

I'm calling fake and fan-made on that saber - and a bad one at that. None of the PT lightsabers had that "used" look to them, like with the OT. I take that back - Yoda's from ROTS had minor weathering, and Maul's battle-damaged lightsaber. Everyone else's, including Mace's, was pristine. The stunt sabers look better than that.

I owned a licensed replica of Mace's lightsaber up until a few years ago and that wasn't etched into the hilt and this was an exact copy of the screen used prop.