Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Tim H.

Imo one of the biggest gaps between the two trilogies since GL was working backwards is that important characters like Mace Windu, Dooku, Jar Jar, Grievous and even more importantly Padme and Qui-Jon who trained Obi-wan are never mentioned or even referenced in the now 2nd half by anybody.

Why would they be mentioned? The only people who would know of them would be Obi-Wan, Yoda and Vader and all three were holding back info from Luke.

Luke wouldn't know of any of them. He wasn't raised by his parents and so he never heard of any of those people. And when you watch ANH after watching the PT, Obi-Wan takes on a different character - that of a tired, defeated old man who has lost everything, even though he's willing to help train Luke and help save Leia.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Why would they be mentioned? The only people who would know of them would be Obi-Wan, Yoda and Vader and all three were holding back info from Luke.

Luke wouldn't know of any of them. He wasn't raised by his parents and so he never heard of any of those people. And when you watch ANH after watching the PT, Obi-Wan takes on a different character - that of a tired, defeated old man who has lost everything, even though he's willing to help train Luke and help save Leia.

Exactly. There's no reason to mention any of those people. They're not around to help or anything.

Sure maybe Yoda could have started randomly rambling about the people he used to Jedi with. But why?

And Vader or the Emperor could have brought up Jar Jar or something. But again, why?

And speaking of Jar Jar. Woot! Got a new piece for my collection today at Target. Whooo Hooo!!

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

As for Obi-Wan getting the better of Darth Maul, yea that part was just badly thought out. If they're going to try to make it believable that Darth Maul didn't have time to slice Obi-Wan while Obi-Wan was in the air they would have to make Obi-Wan's force jump much faster, it certainly doesn't seem fast enough. Even Luke's force jump in RotJ seemed faster to me. Good news is that this should be simple to fix.

The problem was Maul's overconfidence. That is why he kind of let his guard down a bit. To some extent the same was true of Palpatine at the end of ROTJ. You'd think he could have overpowered Vader easily, and Vader could not easily have defended himself from Palpatine's lightning if he'd not grabbed him first. But Palpatine was overconfident.

The morale of the story is that Sith lords fail when they become overconfident. And they always seem to, sooner or later.

[Jack Burton]

Originally Posted by Beast

Other than the little bit of degraining done to TPM, not sure what you're talking about.

There's plenty of grain visible in the other films. Well, the OT especially. Since AotCs and RotS were filmed digitally.

In fact, you're observations are pretty much contrary to all of the major reviews out there for the set. Did you expect mosquito net grain or something?

The grain is not natural. You can tell it was added in because scrubbing had been done, so for it to look like film it was added later. The grain is so static in some scenes its shocking.

[Jar Jar Stinks]

So I take it there are no Easter eggs on this set? (Besides the documented Boba Fett cartoon)

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

The problem was Maul's overconfidence. That is why he kind of let his guard down a bit. To some extent the same was true of Palpatine at the end of ROTJ. You'd think he could have overpowered Vader easily, and Vader could not easily have defended himself from Palpatine's lightning if he'd not grabbed him first. But Palpatine was overconfident.

The morale of the story is that Sith lords fail when they become overconfident. And they always seem to, sooner or later.

Palpatine had been manipulating Vader since he was a Jedi Knight and even after the death of his friends and wife, of course he didn't expect the guy to toss him down a shaft.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Jack Burton

The grain is not natural. You can tell it was added in because scrubbing had been done, so for it to look like film it was added later. The grain is so static in some scenes its shocking.

I disagree. But I guess in the end you can't please everyone. It looks fan-freakin'-tastic to me.

[nmycon]

Originally Posted by Jack Burton

The grain is not natural. You can tell it was added in because scrubbing had been done, so for it to look like film it was added later. The grain is so static in some scenes its shocking.

the grain looks pretty natural to me throughout the OT

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by Darth Anakin

Palpatine had been manipulating Vader since he was a Jedi Knight and even after the death of his friends and wife, of course he didn't expect the guy to toss him down a shaft.

Oh, I'd say Palps had been manipulating him since right after the battle of Naboo... "We'll be watching your career with great interest!". Yes, of course - he was interested in Annie because he wanted him as his future apprentice.

[El_Jay]

Originally Posted by Beast

Other than the little bit of degraining done to TPM, not sure what you're talking about.

There's plenty of grain visible in the other films. Well, the OT especially. Since AotCs and RotS were filmed digitally.

In fact, you're observations are pretty much contrary to all of the major reviews out there for the set. Did you expect mosquito net grain or something?

Of course you're not sure what he's talking about.

People with a discerning eye think The Phantom Menace looks terrible. It's cool that you don't see it, but you don't need to remind everyone who does notice it (there have been a lot of them) that you can't see when an image is completely throttled by DNR.

The grain in the OT is digitally added in.

Also his views are totally analogous with everything professional reviewers have said regarding The Phantom Menace, which I've already documented in this thread.

[Bukax42]

Originally Posted by nmycon

the grain looks pretty natural to me throughout the OT

Natural grain isn't static like in some scenes here.

[The Doof]

Originally Posted by LetoAtreides82

That's funny, TPM is my favorite Star Wars movie. I guess it's a matter of opinion.

Anakin could have chosen to stay, but he wanted to leave, and his mother agreed with that decision because she felt he was destined for more than just living as a slave.

As for them having luxuries you think slaves shouldn't have, why not? Just think about it, how best to keep slaves from revolting? By giving them enough liberties they wouldn't feel as much urgency in revolting as they would if they were kept in cages and fed dog food.

As for Obi-Wan getting the better of Darth Maul, yea that part was just badly thought out. If they're going to try to make it believable that Darth Maul didn't have time to slice Obi-Wan while Obi-Wan was in the air they would have to make Obi-Wan's force jump much faster, it certainly doesn't seem fast enough. Even Luke's force jump in RotJ seemed faster to me. Good news is that this should be simple to fix.

The rest of Qui-Gon Jinn's and Obi-Wan's vs Darth Maul's duel was incredible which makes up for that horrible part in my opinion.

Actually, meesa meant the part where Maul shoves Obi-Wan into the pit. Wtf happens there? Obi's doing ok then he suddenly...just...gets pushed?

Oh, and I just watched that scene again - Maul's sabres go grey and colourless on the tips quite a bit. Anyone notice this? 3 stages of quality control.

Look, meesa not wanting to dump on anyone if they like the film, but I'm sure you would agree that in terms of DRAMATIC weight, the reason to make a character a slave is not to have them living a comfortable life. And then abandon the whole concept. What's more powerful emotionally, leaving mom and she's perfectly fine and you can go back and visit her whenever you want, or she's dead and the sith or the hutts are to blame and you're forced to start over on your own? If it works for you, fine. But IF you can admit it would work better given a bit more maturity, tragedy and gravity, then we would have lots more to talk about.

I will say the new Yoda in Ep. 1 is astounding. So amazed. Things like this made me buy the entire set. The impact SW had on me in 1977 means I will forever be locked into this for the rest of my life. No matter how much I hate the missteps of the prequels. But I don't have to like horrible, lazy writing. And like I said, sadly, I find myself compelled to spew about it when these things get re-released.

Appreciate ALL the films for what they are if you must, but the PT was not the trilogy he set us up for. He made a whole bunch of dots in the OT. The PT should have basically been just connecting the dots! He didn't connect one of the dots. Not one!

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by El_Jay

That's hilarious! I've never seen that 'Citizen Busey' before. I found a few pics that I thought might be more appropriate for this thread:

[Show spoiler]

[El_Jay]

Poor Busey and his teeth.

[The Doof]

Originally Posted by Beast

I disagree. But I guess in the end you can't please everyone. It looks fan-freakin'-tastic to me.

I know "beast" is you, George! I hope you don't take all the complaints personally. Sorry man. Thanks for the memories - because that's all we have.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by The Doof

What's more powerful emotionally, leaving mom and she's perfectly fine and you can go back and visit her whenever you want, or she's dead and the sith or the hutts are to blame and you're forced to start over on your own? If it works for you, fine.

Well, it seems to have worked for GL

The point is that he wasn't supposed to go back and visit her. I think everyone who got selected by the Jedi Order was supposed to leave their families behind and forget all about "attachments" or something. And Anakin always seemed to have a problem with that, leading to the catastrophic results we all know.

If you missed that, then you're missing out on much of the message of the movies. You may like the lights and sparkles and the sound effects, but you don't understand the essence, the core message, that GL set out to try and explain, imho.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

They certainly have a more eastern sensibility. The main characters are monks, politicians or royalty. So, the language is much more formal than in the OT. Maybe that's the reason that Anakin in Episode 2 shocks so many people. He doesn't play it cool or clever (like an experienced Han Solo) - because he never learned that. His confession to Padme ("You're in my very soul. Tormenting me.") is honest and shows the power and fatalism of first love.

Was watching episode 3 last night and the interaction between Obiwan & Anakin just before the big fight really sort of hit me as extremely anime-like. I never really noticed before but last night it sort of it me, even how it was frame and the conversation...make's me suspect George spend sometime watching some anime with his kids

[Jack Burton]

Originally Posted by Beast

I disagree. But I guess in the end you can't please everyone. It looks fan-freakin'-tastic to me.

Good for you. The original Gladiator looked great to many on here also. I don't hate the transfers but they could have been so much better.

The problem i have is people giving 4.5 out of 5. That's saying a 4k scan which would give it amazing more detail and a sharper image especially in nearly every shot that's not a close up is only worth .5 in their review. Sorry but am glad some studio's and directors care about what they put out there. I will bet the Indy films will get all treatment they deserve.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

So why waste your time watching any of his movies? I'm sure there are movies by other writer-directors that would be more to your liking.

One of the greatest mysteries of this entired thread, they just keep watching over and over movies they hate so much. Make's you wonder about certain people at times?

[frogmort]

Originally Posted by Jack Burton

Sorry but am glad some studio's and directors care about what they put out there. I will bet the Indy films will get all treatment they deserve.

Thankfully we have Spielberg to reign in GL on that one. All of his blu-rays released to date are fantastic.
I'm pretty happy with my Star Wars blus, but I'll admit they could've been much better.