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Originally Posted by motorheadache95
I just looked that up. Apparently Lucas is holding it back after all? That's interesting, because it seemed like he had softened on the idea later on, saying that the "classic" versions were not a priority when asked about it. That was a big deal compared to his "they were rough drafts that will deteriorate on old tapes" comments when the DVD's came out.
Well, if it isn't a contractual/legal thing, it's not impossible. Maybe he'll say it's okay in they release the 4K version as "bonus material."  |
HIdalgo said "There's one very noteworthy person who doesn't want them released. Shouldn't be too hard to figure out who that is." The only time the OUT has ever been officially released (that non-anamorphic crap), it was released as "bonus material."
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Originally Posted by imsounoriginal
That's kinda always been the question: are they holding the UOT back out of a good-faith agreement with Lucas, or is it actually written into the language of the Disney purchase that the UOT can never be released? If we don't get them in 2020, I really don't think we ever will.
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The thought that Lucas may have done that does keep my up at night.
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Originally Posted by shinobipopcorn
Knowing Lucas, he'd probably say "you got them already, stop whining". [Referring to the LD versions on that one DVD release]
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How did those sell?
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Originally Posted by Geoff D
When Lucas dies we'll get the original originals. I'm being neither snarky nor morbid when I say that, it's what I truly believe.
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I think that's the sad reality
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Originally Posted by bobbyh64
All of our favorite movies should be updated with CGI and new scenes. Let’s have special editions of Alien, Aliens, Terminator 2, Predator, Jaws, Jurassic Park, etc. with updated special effects and supress the originals!
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Originally Posted by Jar Jar Stinks
Star Wars aka A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back deserve to be seen in their original Oscar-winning forms. Those films were comprised of the work of more than just George Lucas.
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Man, when I was a kid, I was totally into the "director=the word of God' philosophy. The Special Editions really changed that.
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Originally Posted by Bobbyjoe766
A SE of JAWS almost happened in 1997, before sanity prevailed.
Bruce would have received a new CGI skin (replacing the wrinkled, neoprene original) and new teeth.
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Dear God! I didn't know that! That would've been horrible.
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Originally Posted by bobbyh64
Has there ever been another case in cinema history of a movie having drastic changes and the original version being suppressed? Not having the originals available is a horrible idea. There isn’t a single reasonable argument to be made in favor of doing this, therefore it’s a fact that it’s a horrible idea, not an opinion. I know things like this are supposed to be subjective, but if no one can give a reason that makes any sense otherwise, then it should be considered a fact that it’s a horrible idea, just like how flinging a pile of sh*t on a canvas isn’t really art despite what some people say.
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There have been plenty of director's cuts and stuff, but I can't name you a case of any other filmmaker who's gone to Orwellian extremes to bury the originals the way he has.
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Originally Posted by Gold Ranger
Why the hell would Disney honour Lucas' wish to not release the Unaltered Trilogy when the disregarded his wish of using his outline for the Sequel Trilogy.
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This is sort of what I'm hoping, but as pointed out, there's the lingering question of what's in that contract.
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Originally Posted by BladeRunner2007
Did Harmy ever restore the theatrical version of the PT?
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No, though some other fan editors have. He's trying to fix the even more badly mangled Special Edition of Lucas'
THX 1138.
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Originally Posted by StingingVelvet
A large majority don't care about remasters in general, yet we get them all the time. The market for movie enthusiasts is big enough to support such things, even for a movie like The Hills Have Eyes. So it's DEFINITELY big enough to make Disney money for Star Wars. Only question is if they CAN do it, contractually or elements-wise, as you discuss in the rest of your post.
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I think the question is whether or not the money Disney would have to spend on a remaster would be balanced by the amount of money they'd MAKE from releasing it, to put it bluntly.
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Originally Posted by Geoff D
Not a problem. Frames can be reconstructed digitally, that's been a thing for at least 15 years or so. The CRI material that was removed from the original negative during the restoration (having faded so badly in the interim) could be newly imbibed with colour using scans of the YCM separation masters. Basically there's nothing wrong with the original materials that modern technology couldn't remedy, the question is simply one of LFL/Disney ever having the will to do it.
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It sounds like after Lucas' tampering, it'd be a hell of a lot of work.
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Originally Posted by Geoff D
Sweet baby Jawas, I just got done watching 4K77 and it's a thing of beauty. The detail and texture is just phenomenal, I've never been a fan of the over-processed Lowry HD transfers (which are approaching 15 years old) but that a 4K master of a freakin' theatrical print can beat those HD transfers from negative all ends up shows how crappy they really were. Lowry have done some great things since then but SW was not their finest hour.
I love the grain on it too, it's interesting that the 4K77 site advises people that the grain can be quite intense and is best viewed on a projector because of how they gently roll off such HF information, but viewed in 4K on a 4K TV (with sharpness set where it should be  ) the grain is delicately fine for the most part. The numerous opticals make it look chunkier and noisier, no doubt, but even they don't go overboard with it and that we're looking at a print - a copy of a copy of a copy - means that grain is actually softened somewhat. The very capacious HEVC encode also helps to make sure that the grain is rendered as transparently as possible to the source.
The colour veers towards a greeny cast with other shots looking a bit bluey but that's photochemical timing for you, and that it's from a print (which has very high gamma) means that the black levels lack depth and shadow detail, along with the highlights looking very bright and blown out. Those are observations though, not complaints, as this thing is still a bloody miracle.
Every time I've watched Star Wars in recent years it's sent me to sleep, I guess through over-familiarity but also because of the way that the SE slows the movie down owing to all the little scene extensions, extra scenes and so on. But this original cut really moves, I mean it's not some hyper-kinetic Michael Bay film all of a sudden but it knows not to dwell for too long and, as the SE trailer told us, this really WAS like seeing it again...for the first time.
Bravo to George Lucas for being the mastermind behind this peerless achievement in popular cinema. And **** you George Lucas for being such a colossal tool by suppressing the restoration of the original version for so long, and it ain't over yet. Still, if it were to never happen then I'd be good with 4K77 for the rest of my days. |
I have got to look at this one of these days....
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