Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[crissrudd4554]

Originally Posted by ChainsawJedi

Carrie Fisher's dialogue was not changed in the Special Editions of the film was it? I thought she always spoke with that faux English accent when speaking with Tarkin in in A New Hope.

Her dialogue was never changed to my knowledge.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Memon

I guess overall that's true but I recently noticed some people claim Marcia Lucas deserved more credit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFMy...ature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGQt...ature=youtu.be
(I haven't watched this one yet, to be honest)

I know. Marcia, Gary Kurtz, latterly Irvin Kershner, everyone's got their take on it. But that's why I said he was the mastermind behind it all, I didn't want to over-elaborate my thank you/**** you piece at the end of the post.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by crissrudd4554

Her dialogue was never changed to my knowledge.

Guys, Carrie was taking acting classes in England during the shooting of Star Wars and it bled into her performance and they never decided to "fix it". That's all that was. The excuse I heard from a board user named Go-Mer Tonic said it was "diplo-dialect" or something like that, where everyone in the Senate spoke with an English accent, so Padme speaks with an American accent while Amidala (same person) speaks with an English accent.

No.

Carrie was a kiddo taking acting classes in England. Her accent is all over the place. It happens. No mega-ultra-well-thought-"diplo-dialect"-world-building, just a movie set and a day's work.

[Class316]

For THX 1138 there's a "THX-1138 (1st Director’s Cut) 35mm Grindhouse Edition". I wouldn't say it's Harmy caliber but probably the best version that exists, legally otherwise. It's 720p. Here is the write up:

As you may know, thxita, a member on the board, recently obtained a 35mm IB print of THX 1138. This print is from Italy so all the titles, and computer screens are translated into Italian and the sound contains the Italian dub. The print has been scanned and is currently being cleaned up by Poita and Harmy has expressed interest in creating a ‘despecialized’ version.

While their efforts will help create the best version of this film whose original version has little chance of seeing the light of day, I thought it would be nice to take what we have so far and whip up a quick and dirty English version for people to enjoy now. Poita recently released a file containing the whole scan as-is, and I took this and made an English version.

I used the laserdisc as a point of reference for this sync because it’s the only official release of the original version of the film. In a sense, I felt this to be the closest thing to a ‘GOUT’ that THX has. This is the 1st director’s cut of the film that was released after the success of Star Wars; the 35mm print, however, is the 1971 theatrical cut. The only changes between the two are re-arranged scenes in the middle and a shortened scene towards the end between SEN and a couple of young children (and by short, it’s only about 5 seconds shorter). I decided to maintain the edit of the laserdisc version because it was easier to simply edit the footage to the laserdisc than trying to edit both the 35 and the laserdisc and moving both around. I’ve viewed both versions of the film and to be honest, it doesn’t change much. The scenes in question are independent of each other and don’t enhance or take away from the overall narrative. At worst, these edits change our views about how quickly this futuristic society expedites criminals or tortures them prior to trial depending on which version you watch. I just say: meh.

Here are some additional notes:

- The first 3 minutes of the film were taken from the bluray version. This includes Buck Rodgers, the Warner Bros logo, the Zeotrope logo, the intro titles and a close up of a clock. At first, I was going to just leave the laserdisc footage, but Buck Rodgers looks particularly bad on the LD and three minutes is a long time to look at badly upscaled LD captures.

- Any additional missing footage though is filled in with the laserdisc. This is much easier to do since the laserdisc footage was already laying under the 35 footage in my timeline and any gaps in the 35 timeline is replaced by the laserdisc footage. These last from a mere few frames to a few seconds at a reel change. I really didn’t feel like pulling out my hair to splice in frames from other sources and I prefer this to black frames. Plus, this helps show the difference between this and the LD and what footage is missing from the print and what any future restorer will need from alternate sources. I also might have missed a few frame splices here and there and the sync may slightly go out here and there.

- I replaced all of the Italian info screens with the laserdisc. The Bluray uses new computer screens so that was worthless anyway. A future restoration might be able to use the 16mm print that Poita scanned.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Guys, Carrie was taking acting classes in England during the shooting of Star Wars and it bled into her performance and they never decided to "fix it". That's all that was. The excuse I heard from a board user named Go-Mer Tonic said it was "diplo-dialect" or something like that, where everyone in the Senate spoke with an English accent, so Padme speaks with an American accent while Amidala (same person) speaks with an English accent.

No.

Carrie was a kiddo taking acting classes in England. Her accent is all over the place. It happens. No mega-ultra-well-thought-"diplo-dialect"-world-building, just a movie set and a day's work.

If Carrie’s English accent was basically a mistake, does that mean George decided to make it part of the saga and have Queen Amidala speak with a similar accent when she was talking to politicians?

[bobbyh64]

Is the CGI sunset in American Graffiti the only change Lucas made to that film?

[BladeRunner2007]

Episode I is fun until they leave Tattooine. Then movie just halts until Duel of the Fates.

[steel_breeze]

Originally Posted by BladeRunner2007

Episode I is fun until they leave Tattooine. Then movie just halts until Duel of the Fates.

Funny, I feel just the opposite. While I like how EPISODE I begins, I find EVERYthing on Tatooine pretty painful -- among the most painful stuff in the saga -- and I have a genuinely tough time getting through it. Once they take off for Coruscant, the movie becomes a "real" STAR WARS flick, for me. But I'm one of the outliers who actually LIKES all of Palpatine's political machinations and Senatorial drama. Having grown up theorizing with my friends that some outside force must've come in and overthrown the Republic, I'm utterly entranced by every plot-point that demonstrates how the Republic was taken over from within and morphed insidiously (pun intended) into the Empire.

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

If Carrie’s English accent was basically a mistake, does that mean George decided to make it part of the saga and have Queen Amidala speak with a similar accent when she was talking to politicians?

Like Jango bumping his head to explain a stormtrooper doing the same thing? That was a blooper, Lucas turned it into a joke, Mr. Lucas was working very hard to tie things together (and the fact he was hyper-aware of the comments about bloopers in his space wizard fantasy saga should explain a lot). It happens. It's okay. Look at my signature. Breathe. Everything's going to be all right.

Guys -- these are just books and movies, this isn't the Bible. It's just a franchise space wizard fantasy saga. We took a 70's riff on Flash Gordon when we were six years old and somehow elevated it into a cultural religion. They're just movies. They've always just been movies. It's all they ever will be. Mr. Lucas is apparently very aware of on-line criticism, and my heart goes out to him. They're just movies, people treat him like the abandoned messiah in Scorsese's Last Temptation. Sure, criticism of his revisionism is justified. It is. It absolutely is. Lucas deserves criticism and respect, but if he didn't make our six-year-old hearts soar in the first place...

[Takeshi666]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I know. Marcia, Gary Kurtz, latterly Irvin Kershner, everyone's got their take on it. But that's why I said he was the mastermind behind it all, I didn't want to over-elaborate my thank you/**** you piece at the end of the post.

I think Richard Marquand deserves more credit.

[See Rad]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Guys -- these are just books and movies, this isn't the Bible. It's just a franchise space wizard fantasy saga.

What do the kids say... "Can't tell if serious"?

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

Like Jango bumping his head to explain a stormtrooper doing the same thing? That was a blooper, Lucas turned it into a joke, Mr. Lucas was working very hard to tie things together (and the fact he was hyper-aware of the comments about bloopers in his space wizard fantasy saga should explain a lot). It happens. It's okay. Look at my signature. Breathe. Everything's going to be all right.

Guys -- these are just books and movies, this isn't the Bible. It's just a franchise space wizard fantasy saga. We took a 70's riff on Flash Gordon when we were six years old and somehow elevated it into a cultural religion. They're just movies. They've always just been movies. It's all they ever will be. Mr. Lucas is apparently very aware of on-line criticism, and my heart goes out to him. They're just movies, people treat him like the abandoned messiah in Scorsese's Last Temptation. Sure, criticism of his revisionism is justified. It is. It absolutely is. Lucas deserves criticism and respect, but if he didn't make our six-year-old hearts soar in the first place...

I’m breathing just fine. Was just curious if Lucas took Carrie’s awkward English accent and actually made it part of a politician’s public behavior for the Saga.

[kamphausd1]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Sigh. This revisionist history nonsense needs to stop.
They also don't mention George worked with Marcia in the edit suite. He's always done editing on his own films (and for Francis Ford Coppola) uncredited.

Nobody at any point in that video said that George had no input in the editorial process or had nothing to do with the film being successful, they're just pointing out that Marcia made significant contributions to the film herself. If anybody needs to stop with anything, it's you.

[ambient_indie]

Originally Posted by kamphausd1

Nobody at any point in that video said that George had no input in the editorial process or had nothing to do with the film being successful, they're just pointing out that Marcia made significant contributions to the film herself. If anybody needs to stop with anything, it's you.

And Marcia Lucas won an Oscar for Best Film Editing in Star Wars soooooo.

[StingingVelvet]

George is a great idea man and visual artist. That's his strong suit. Star Wars is built on his imagination and wouldn't exist without him. However the classic films are beloved for a lot of reasons outside of Lucas' strengths. They're good FILMS because of the work of many others as well as him. That's why the prequels... where he had much more control and was surrounded by yes-men... are much worse films.

[drush9999]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

George is a great idea man and visual artist. That's his strong suit. Star Wars is built on his imagination and wouldn't exist without him. However the classic films are beloved for a lot of reasons outside of Lucas' strengths. They're good FILMS because of the work of many others as well as him. That's why the prequels... where he had much more control and was surrounded by yes-men... are much worse films.

And Rick McCallum...

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

I’m breathing just fine. Was just curious if Lucas took Carrie’s awkward English accent and actually made it part of a politician’s public behavior for the Saga.

That wouldn't surprise me, but then you wind up with Jar-Jar's "Dellow Fellegates" and what not in Attack of the Clones.

[bobbyh64]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

That wouldn't surprise me, but then you wind up with Jar-Jar's "Dellow Fellegates" and what not in Attack of the Clones.

Someone should make a fan edit of the original Star Wars and replace Leia’s voice with Jar Jar’s. “Meesa recognized you foul stench when meesa brought on board! The mo yousa tighten you grip, Tarkin, the mo star systems will slip through yousa fingas!”

[Ernest Rister]

Originally Posted by bobbyh64

Someone should make a fan edit of the original Star Wars and replace Leia’s voice with Jar Jar’s. “Meesa recognized you foul stench when meesa brought on board! The mo yousa tighten you grip, Tarkin, the mo star systems will slip through yousa fingas!”

The Bombad Star.

[Martoto]

“Meesa recognized you foul stench when meesa brought on board!

"Pee-yoo suh!"

I always liked Leia mocking Tarkin's RP elocution in that scene. At least it sounds like that's what she's doing even if it is Fisher simply being enthralled by Cushing's acting.

It is far more agreeable than the nonsensical, lobotomised Queen-speak that we get from Amidala in Episode I.